lurksalot Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Are they for performers with no mates ? Just watching a cool dude , but it just that there are at least three jobs going begging , are loopers the ultimate live bedroom players kit ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horizontalste Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 I have nothing to add to this thread apart from the fact I once saw a very cool video of a bc member (sorry can't remember who) and a singist covering a Coldplay song. Trouble I think it was. All he used was a loopy thing and a Stingray and all the singist used was his gob and a microphone. Very cool indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamdenRob Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 I love my looper, Its almost single handedly rekindled my interest in bass after several years in the wilderness. I'm not ashamed if that makes me a bedroom player, I'm no rock star... too old and too bald... Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurksalot Posted August 25, 2013 Author Share Posted August 25, 2013 (edited) Rob, Ive seen your stuff and its great , but on a stage it just seems a bit odd to see an act build his part by playing in all the other parts first, rather than have his band mates do their bit . yes its a skill , but it rather eliminates the people skills that are needed to actually have a band . Edited August 25, 2013 by lurksalot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisnameistaken Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 [quote name='lurksalot' timestamp='1377472119' post='2188020']Rob, Ive seen your stuff and its great , but on a stage it just seems a bit odd to see an act build his part by playing in all the other parts first, rather than have his band mates do their bit . yes its a skill , but it rather eliminates the people skills that are needed to actually have a band .[/quote] I think with most popular music the thing that makes it interesting to listen to is the arrangement. When you hear it spelled out with a looper it's not as interesting, plus you know the dude is only doing it so he can play a 20 minute solo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellyfish Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Are they not the ultimate practice tool for when you need some sort of backing? I use mine as an awesome way to lay down a foundation to practice and improvise. Maybe some day I'll become as good as this guy (who's certainly not a bedroom bassist ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AbBwTb9AZM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAY AGAINST THE MACHINE Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 I have a boss foot pedal type looper which I've hardly used. I am thinking of getting a rack version instead, as I am very lazy with effects. I have been recording bits on sound cloud over the last year or so. Tbh, since recording on GarageBand I have forgotten about it. Loopers are great for us bedroom players . I think they can prove your playing and timing . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebass84 Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 I mess around with loops every now and then. Nothing I would ever take to stage but it's just fun to have a noodle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Bassy Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 All very clever, but incredibly dull to watch. Give me a proper band any day of the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisnameistaken Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 [quote name='Jellyfish' timestamp='1377482423' post='2188054']Maybe some day I'll become as good as this guy (who's certainly not a bedroom bassist ) [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AbBwTb9AZM[/media][/quote] I managed to get to the bit where he started soloing and then stopped watching because I figured he was just going to keep soloing. The backing he laid sound sounded terrible. Genuinely terrible. Too many bass guitars sounds bad. Chords on a bass guitar sounds bad unless there's very little else going on. All buzzy noise and a glottal swamp of mids. Someone take his looper away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassTractor Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 (edited) [quote name='thisnameistaken' timestamp='1377524902' post='2188441'] Someone take his looper away. [/quote] Here's where I think an alternative comes in: not using a looper connected to a bass, but building a loop without bass parts on a Kaossilator or similar, and then playing bass to it. It's like a band who never get tired of letting you practise and/or develop ideas. Me, I love it. I just make something impromptu on a Kaossilator, and then [b]must[/b] find something to do on the bass to go with it. I find that challenging and fun. This may not teach me to play bass, but at least I'm having fun whilst not learning to play the bass. Edited August 26, 2013 by BassTractor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAY AGAINST THE MACHINE Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 [quote name='BassTractor' timestamp='1377530296' post='2188513'] Here's where I think an alternative comes in: not using a looper connected to a bass, but building a loop without bass parts on a Kaossilator or similar, and then playing bass to it. It's like a band who never get tired of letting you practise and/or develop ideas. Me, I love it. I just make something impromptu on a Kaossilator, and then [b]must[/b] find something to do on the bass to go with it. I find that challenging and fun. This may not teach me to play bass, but at least I'm having fun whilst not learning to play the bass. [/quote] I do that also om my ikaossilator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassTractor Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 You'll never learn to play the bass, Ray! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAY AGAINST THE MACHINE Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 True, but they're very addictive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamdenRob Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 [quote name='lurksalot' timestamp='1377472119' post='2188020'] Rob, Ive seen your stuff and its great , but on a stage it just seems a bit odd to see an act build his part by playing in all the other parts first, rather than have his band mates do their bit . yes its a skill , but it rather eliminates the people skills that are needed to actually have a band . [/quote] Yes I'd probably look like a bit of a plonker building loops on my own on stage, its definitely more of a 'bedroom player' thing for me. They don't have to be used for a two chord loop and an endless widdly solo though, I've never played a solo in my life. Obviously a looper is not a substitute for a band, a full spectrum of instruments can produce a overall sound far richer than just a bass. I use my looper as I don't have the time to dedicate to a proper band, but still want to keep my hand in musically and be creative. The looper allows me to create more complex pieces on my own than I ever could as just a guy playing a bass. Then again you might be on to something with the 'people skills that are needed to actually have a band'... I don't really like other people, I find them irritating and irrational... especially those you encounter on public transport... Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybertect Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Not really a bass thing, but one use of a looper that's always stuck in my mind was K T Tunstall's debut on Jools' show with 'Black Horse & The Cerry Tree' a few years ago. Pretty effective IMO. http://youtu.be/pdu_IWxSSk4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurksalot Posted August 26, 2013 Author Share Posted August 26, 2013 [quote name='cybertect' timestamp='1377543926' post='2188705'] Not really a bass thing, but one use of a looper that's always stuck in my mind was K T Tunstall's debut on Jools' show with 'Black Horse & The Cerry Tree' a few years ago. Pretty effective IMO. [media]http://youtu.be/pdu_IWxSSk4[/media] [/quote] That is pretty much what I saw this guy do , its ok for 1 song but for every time it just seemed he needed a band with him . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 I think if it's just building loads of layers it can get very messy, and if the guy is doing 2 or 4 of each layer it gets very tedious. I use my looper in a band context, so that I can keep a bassline going and create another texture on top Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urb Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 I definitely love my looper - great for writing and getting ideas flowing - good to try out specific soloing ideas over a specific chord - great too for layering effects with chords and bass lines - they're only as limited as your imagination - and yes I love playing with and listening to a live band but sometimes it's good to explore new ground and new sounds - loops + live playing and realtime looping/improv/interaction can be great - it can also be dull as sh** - it all depends on the gig and the player I guess... a great tool for working up ideas though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesFlashG Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 great for practice in my opinion! don'y use it for much else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 [quote name='thisnameistaken' timestamp='1377524902' post='2188441'] I managed to get to the bit where he started soloing and then stopped watching because I figured he was just going to keep soloing. The backing he laid sound sounded terrible. Genuinely terrible. Too many bass guitars sounds bad. Chords on a bass guitar sounds bad unless there's very little else going on. All buzzy noise and a glottal swamp of mids. Someone take his looper away. [/quote] Can't disagree with that. If you had listened further you'd have heard a guy leaving no space at all, relentless jazz funk noodling we've all heard before a thousand times. I get depressed hearing it, but some folks like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davehux Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 I like mine I like mine I like mine I like mine I like mine I like mine I like mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the boy Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 [quote name='cybertect' timestamp='1377543926' post='2188705'] Not really a bass thing, but one use of a looper that's always stuck in my mind was K T Tunstall's debut on Jools' show with 'Black Horse & The Cerry Tree' a few years ago. Pretty effective IMO. http://youtu.be/pdu_IWxSSk4 [/quote] Wow, very good indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurksalot Posted August 27, 2013 Author Share Posted August 27, 2013 [quote name='the boy' timestamp='1377608431' post='2189318'] Wow, very good indeed. [/quote] wow, wow, very good, wow, very good, very good indeed. wow, very good, very good indeed, but a bit samey. wow, very good, very good indeed, but a bit samey, OK though , wow, very good, very good indeed, but a bit samey, OK though , for 1 song . to develop Daves idea a little but for a song yes great , but the songs need to do something or go somewhere , and it just ends up like showing off and gets very repetitive after 4 songs of the same stuff . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkgod Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 (edited) [quote name='urb' timestamp='1377602324' post='2189190'] I definitely love my looper - great for writing and getting ideas flowing - good to try out specific soloing ideas over a specific chord - great too for layering effects with chords and bass lines - they're only as limited as your imagination - and yes I love playing with and listening to a live band but sometimes it's good to explore new ground and new sounds - loops + live playing and realtime looping/improv/interaction can be great - it can also be dull as sh** - it all depends on the gig and the player I guess... a great tool for working up ideas though [/quote] Everything Urb said. I have an RC2 used it once, hate it, its too fidgity,... but love the rc20xl its been a workhorse of a thing for me. get your ideas down fast then add parts you think wil fit, if not delete the part and try something else. also at a practice you can digi record your now song format on with just a mic in the room. you can also sample on it wont be the best quality but again the idea is there, you can put whole songs into it and record over the top to check your bass line. great for learning to solo your blues licks over diff chord progressions. will record 11 quick ideas. i have used it before now to record a brass arrangement we came up with for one song so then i could email it to them so the lazy buggers dont forget !. yep...im sure i will think of another few uses for it, Great bit of very handy gear. Edited August 27, 2013 by funkgod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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