JTUK Posted September 21, 2013 Posted September 21, 2013 (edited) I think that is exactly who you blame if you have no bass out front... and on stage for that matter. Edited September 21, 2013 by JTUK Quote
Stacker Posted September 21, 2013 Posted September 21, 2013 (edited) [quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1379750769' post='2216375'] I think that is exactly who you blame if you have no bass out front... and on stage for that matter. [/quote] Did you read the part in my post about the DI? And [i]how[/i] can you possibly blame the sound crew if your amp fails? Edited September 21, 2013 by Stacker Quote
4-string-thing Posted September 21, 2013 Posted September 21, 2013 [quote name='lojo' timestamp='1379251268' post='2210295'] Thought they'd have got on with a direct DI then sorted the rig after ? Ok, we are not soundgarden, but i did a dep gig with a rock band at a small festival, and one of the guitarists new expensive blackstar amp failed, its very frustrating. [/quote] I was in a band where the two guitarists both had Blackstar amps.... Guitarist 1's amp failed after half an hour, that's 30 minutes of HOME USE after purchase, replacement lasted a little bit longer. Amp 3 lasted a while before he sold it. Guitarist 2's amp packed up at first rehearsal, replacement is still in use as far as I know. Why people buy them, I'll never know. Funny thing is, when I was playing with hem, they were always telling me I needed a new amp. My reply was "my amp's 30 years old, yours struggle to last 30 minutes" Quote
stingrayPete1977 Posted September 21, 2013 Author Posted September 21, 2013 [quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1379750769' post='2216375'] I think that is exactly who you blame if you have no bass out front... and on stage for that matter. [/quote] I'm with JT, he was having trouble before the total loss for a few songs from where I was stood, even if I was doing the sound for free down the youth club I'd have stepped in between songs to either swap the head or put a di in place just in case it went off totally. The only way it would be the bass players fault in this case would be if Ben had told them in no way was he prepared to play the gig with anything other than the cab mic'd off the ampeg. Quote
Stacker Posted September 21, 2013 Posted September 21, 2013 The backline crew are responsible for maintaining backline gear! Its ultimately their responsibility, not the sound crew! But, like I said, there should have been a DI - provided by the sound crew - before the amp. That way, if a double or triple-redundant rig fails, at least the DId signal goes to monitors and FOH!! Quote
JTUK Posted September 22, 2013 Posted September 22, 2013 [quote name='Stacker' timestamp='1379754628' post='2216414'] Did you read the part in my post about the DI? And [i]how[/i] can you possibly blame the sound crew if your amp fails? [/quote] Yep..it is their job to get the sound delivered to where it needs to go. Having an amp fail isn't an option...and they had a backup, apparently. It may well happen but it shouldn't matter in the grand scheme of things in getting the bass out front or on stage. Anything more than a tech spending a few seconds on it is a total fail... Quote
stingrayPete1977 Posted September 22, 2013 Author Posted September 22, 2013 They definitely had a spare ampeg, both were stacked up as they swapped the leads over, they should have done that between songs four songs earlier. Might not have been the ampegs at fault unless they were both faulty but doing nothing lead to a free p bass for someone and another ruined. Quote
Stacker Posted September 22, 2013 Posted September 22, 2013 [quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1379842017' post='2217180'] Yep..it is their job to get the sound delivered to where it needs to go. Having an amp fail isn't an option...and they had a backup, apparently. It may well happen but it shouldn't matter in the grand scheme of things in getting the bass out front or on stage. Anything more than a tech spending a few seconds on it is a total fail... [/quote] The sound guys cannot be held responsible for backline gear failing; that is the domain of the the backline techs! That said, if there was no DI before the amp rigs, then the person who made that choice, whether it be one of the sound-crew or the bassist himself, is the one to blame. I have never, in all my days, heard of sound crew being responsible for backline fails! Quote
Stacker Posted September 22, 2013 Posted September 22, 2013 [quote name='Beer of the Bass' timestamp='1379259042' post='2210445'] It's odd, I thought the usual thing in pro sound would be to run a DI before the amp in addition to miking the speaker. Surely if they'd been doing that, the sound guys could have turned up the DI fader to FOH and put some in the sidefills within seconds of the amp going down? I wonder if the Soundgarden bassist is one of these guys who is unusually insistent about not having a DI there at all? [/quote] THIS is how it should have gone! There is clearly a monitor in front of the bassist and, in-ears or not, he would have been getting some of his sound down those from the DI/monitor desk feed. The fact that there was no bass after the amps went down points to no DI. Bad call, whoever made that choice! Quote
stingrayPete1977 Posted September 22, 2013 Author Posted September 22, 2013 For all we know there may have been problems between the bass tech (bens personal guy) and the venues sound crew?, a bit of "its not our end must be your amps di" , swapped it and no change, bit of fiddling and a new signal path to fix it. Quote
NancyJohnson Posted September 22, 2013 Posted September 22, 2013 [quote name='Westie9' timestamp='1379661385' post='2215270'] Whoever managed to get their paws on the P Bass, how far do you reckon they managed to get home in one piece? [/quote] He gave it to photographer Ross Halfin. It's on his blog. They gave him a case as well! P Quote
Bassist on the Run Posted September 22, 2013 Posted September 22, 2013 I was at the gig I saw a Mesa rig next to the ampeg rig would they not of just used that? Quote
stingrayPete1977 Posted September 23, 2013 Author Posted September 23, 2013 [quote name='NancyJohnson' timestamp='1379879351' post='2217773'] He gave it to photographer Ross Halfin. It's on his blog. They gave him a case as well! P [/quote] Brilliant Quote
stingrayPete1977 Posted September 23, 2013 Author Posted September 23, 2013 [quote name='bramleyapple' timestamp='1379885714' post='2217952'] I was at the gig I saw a Mesa rig next to the ampeg rig would they not of just used that? [/quote] [quote name='bramleyapple' timestamp='1379885714' post='2217952'] I was at the gig I saw a Mesa rig next to the ampeg rig would they not of just used that? [/quote] Very odd wasn't it? was it just stage dressing to create the wall for the bass tech to work behind I wonder? Quote
Stacker Posted September 23, 2013 Posted September 23, 2013 [quote name='NancyJohnson' timestamp='1379879351' post='2217773'] He gave it to photographer Ross Halfin. It's on his blog. They gave him a case as well! P [/quote] Ross Halfin. - still going,.eh? He still has the bass! Quote
bartelby Posted September 23, 2013 Posted September 23, 2013 This gives a detailed breakdown if their set ups. Ben's is about 1/2- 2/3 the way through: http://youtu.be/uEl7u9Z3lK0 Quote
stingrayPete1977 Posted September 23, 2013 Author Posted September 23, 2013 Looks like using amps as monitors could be part of the problem then, what a crazy way of doing it, what are the Ampeg cabs for? Quote
bartelby Posted September 23, 2013 Posted September 23, 2013 Ampeg is his "dirty" rig and the Mesa is clean. But they only mic the ampegs... Or that's what I got from the video... o_O Quote
stingrayPete1977 Posted September 23, 2013 Author Posted September 23, 2013 I would love to know exactly what bit went sh*t shaped, I know he is a pro and all that but at what point do you just put a lead into the Ampeg or Mesa and put a Di out to the desk for FOH? I can be certain any bass would have sounded better than the no bass we had for Jesus Christ Pose and Rusty cage Quote
bartelby Posted September 23, 2013 Posted September 23, 2013 I guess he didn't think 2 ampegs would fail on the same night... Be interesting to see if they've revised the set up... Quote
stingrayPete1977 Posted September 23, 2013 Author Posted September 23, 2013 If they lost all sound on stage why did they try swapping the ampeg anyway? surely that meant the loss of signal was further up the chain? I bet there was some choice words being used after the gig and he looks a big bugger dont he Quote
bartelby Posted September 24, 2013 Posted September 24, 2013 He certainly is a big bugger. He also seems to have changed quite a bit over the years. He used to come across as a big friendly giant, now he's bloody intimidating! I was thinking last night that I've seen more amps failing at gigs this year than in any other year I can remember, And I've seen a lot less gigs this year. Dinosaur Jr in Feb, One of Lou Barlow's Marshalls died Dinosaur Jr in Sept. One of J Mascis' Marshalls died Soundgarden in Sept. 2 Ampegs It's only 4 amps in about 30 bands I've seen this year, but last year I didn't see a single amp die in well over 100 bands Quote
stingrayPete1977 Posted September 24, 2013 Author Posted September 24, 2013 It must be your fault then Quote
EBS_freak Posted September 24, 2013 Posted September 24, 2013 When I went to see Queen (or 1/2 of Queen) with Paul Rogers, I seem to recall at least two Vox AC30s being swapped... mind you, that doesn't surprise me... doesn't BM run his collection of Voxii flat out? Quote
bartelby Posted September 24, 2013 Posted September 24, 2013 (edited) [quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1380016830' post='2219449'] It must be your fault then [/quote] I'll test that theory next week when I see UFOMammut, but I'd rather not kill their Matamps... EDIT: Thinking about it, at the gigs this year where amps have failed I've been standing at the back!! Edited September 24, 2013 by bartelby Quote
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