geoffbyrne Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 I've sort of fallen heir to a PA. I didn't really want it, but there you are. I can't get my bass gear & the PA into my car together - it'll need 2 runs or another car. It consists of 2 x Carlsboro speakers (2x12, horn & tweeter), stands, a 6U short case with a 2U 300x300 power amp, a 3U Peavey Dual 31 band EQ with feedback indication & an elderly 1U Yamaha FX unit and all necessary cables. I built a connector plate into a 2U case which also handles the storage of cables & there's a couple of wedges. It's a decent enough small PA for vox in small/medium venues. But I haven't a clue about 'doing' sound. Is there a 'Sound Engineering for Dummies'? G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stacker Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Sell the Carlsboro! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffbyrne Posted September 21, 2013 Author Share Posted September 21, 2013 [quote name='Stacker' timestamp='1379773693' post='2216650'] Sell the Carlsboro! [/quote] I might sell the lot! G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfisher Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 I might be interested in the wedge monitors if you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Sausage Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 (edited) It's all in the eq and not overdoing volume! Cut rather than add! Edited September 21, 2013 by Lord Sausage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 For everything I just set it all at midday and as above, cut out what`s not wanted first, before adding anything you do want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr zed Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 There is a cracking little book called Basic Live Sound by Paul White that is cheap and is a great read for anyone starting off. Highly recommended. Have fun with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurksalot Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Is there a mixer/desk that comes with it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 You should get something usable out of that if your just putting vox through it, BUT, watch your volume, that's not a hugely powerful vocal PA and if you have a thousand watt head and an 8 x 10 and the guitarist has a Marshall stack and neither of you know the volume knob goes both ways, your screwed. Yamaha are currently running a PA roadshow, don't know where the other dates are but you should be able to find them online, I went to the one at PMT Manchester, it was basic but I dragged my singer rhythm guitarist along and now he understands gain , so was well worth it just for that. If it's anywhere near you it would be a good place for you to start and it was free, Les Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete.young Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 [quote name='mr zed' timestamp='1379802297' post='2217002'] There is a cracking little book called Basic Live Sound by Paul White that is cheap and is a great read for anyone starting off. Highly recommended. Have fun with it. [/quote] +1 for this, I found it a really good read and very helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr zed Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 [quote name='Les' timestamp='1379839287' post='2217136'] You should get something usable out of that if your just putting vox through it, BUT, watch your volume, that's not a hugely powerful vocal PA and if you have a thousand watt head and an 8 x 10 and the guitarist has a Marshall stack and neither of you know the volume knob goes both ways, your screwed. Yamaha are currently running a PA roadshow, don't know where the other dates are but you should be able to find them online, I went to the one at PMT Manchester, it was basic but I dragged my singer rhythm guitarist along and now he understands gain , so was well worth it just for that. If it's anywhere near you it would be a good place for you to start and it was free, Les [/quote] I also went to this in Manchester - as Les says it was basic but a great starting point if you've never been involved with live sound before. They were also giving away an instructional DVD on the night. Also the chance to win a couple of the new Yamaha powered tops which sounded pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTUK Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 (edited) The key to a P.A is getting the Vox over everything... as this is what people who don't know much else, focus on when they listen to a band. If you can't hear the vox clearly, then the band is stuffed and therefore you have to set the band level to the vox. As for carting it all about, you should share it out amongst the band. I used to think the vocalist should own the P.A but it is too expensive and a communial use thing so the band should own, transport and set up the P.A If anyone has too great or total role in that, they need to be compensated accordingly. Our P.A takes about an hr to load-in and soundcheck accordingly but it is a full P.A. Edited September 22, 2013 by JTUK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffbyrne Posted September 22, 2013 Author Share Posted September 22, 2013 [quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1379840571' post='2217157'] The to a P.A is getting the Vox over ebverything... as this is what people who don't know much else, focus on when they listen to a band. If you can't hear the vox clearly, then the band is stuffed and you have to set the band level to the vox. As for carting ot all about, you should share it out amongst the band. I used to think the vox should won the P.A but it is tyoo expecnsive and a communial thing so the band should own, transport and set up the P.A If anyone have too great or total role in that, they need to be compensated accordingly. Our P.A takes about an hr to load-in and soundcheck accordingly but it is a full P.A. [/quote] A few beverages last night? G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffbyrne Posted September 22, 2013 Author Share Posted September 22, 2013 [quote name='mr zed' timestamp='1379802297' post='2217002'] There is a cracking little book called Basic Live Sound by Paul White that is cheap and is a great read for anyone starting off. Highly recommended. Have fun with it. [/quote] Ordered it from Amazon. G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffbyrne Posted September 22, 2013 Author Share Posted September 22, 2013 [quote name='lurksalot' timestamp='1379806256' post='2217034'] Is there a mixer/desk that comes with it ? [/quote] Yes, Phonic MM1805X. And all leads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffbyrne Posted September 22, 2013 Author Share Posted September 22, 2013 [quote name='Les' timestamp='1379839287' post='2217136'] You should get something usable out of that if your just putting vox through it, BUT, watch your volume, that's not a hugely powerful vocal PA and if you have a thousand watt head and an 8 x 10 and the guitarist has a Marshall stack and neither of you know the volume knob goes both ways, your screwed. Yamaha are currently running a PA roadshow, don't know where the other dates are but you should be able to find them online, I went to the one at PMT Manchester, it was basic but I dragged my singer rhythm guitarist along and now he understands gain , so was well worth it just for that. If it's anywhere near you it would be a good place for you to start and it was free, Les [/quote] We're not a loud band. Roadshow sounds interesting - but do they know where Scotland is? Ahh yes they do - or did - it was in Glasgow on the 9th Sept. Missed it. Too bad, sounds like a good idea. G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassTractor Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 [quote name='geoffbyrne' timestamp='1379846312' post='2217281'] Ordered it from Amazon. [/quote] ...where it's only £4.49!!! Ordered it immediately. Thanks for the heads up, guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddy Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 Its really satisfying to know how everything works, and opens many doors for you also. even as just a hobby,sound engineering is great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTUK Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 [quote name='geoffbyrne' timestamp='1379846229' post='2217279'] A few beverages last night? G. [/quote] in a hurry this morning, sorry... never proof read it on here so I'll go back and edit it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTUK Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 Having said that a band is a communial expense, a good P.A can set a band back £5k easily enough ...and various band member can have that tied up in their own kit...so it is not so much who owns it, but who sets it up and who carries it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Bassy Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 (edited) [quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1379863338' post='2217506'] Having said that a band is a communial expense, a good P.A can set a band back £5k easily enough ...and various band member can have that tied up in their own kit...so it is not so much who owns it, but who sets it up and who carries it [/quote] Although if you take your time and buy second hand you can get a very reasonable PA for a lot less than that. Depends on what type of gigs you're doing. You don't need a £5K PA for the average pub gig! IMO of course!. And a useful hint I was given was to always set up the mix before you start adding any effects, reverb and stuff (hate reverb myself). Edited September 22, 2013 by Count Bassy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Starr Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 If you want some basic advice then you could try this [url="http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1591207"]http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1591207[/url] any questions and I'll try and answer them there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffbyrne Posted September 22, 2013 Author Share Posted September 22, 2013 [quote name='Phil Starr' timestamp='1379884099' post='2217917'] If you want some basic advice then you could try this [url="http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1591207"]http://www.ultimate-...d.php?t=1591207[/url] any questions and I'll try and answer them there. [/quote] Thanks for the link, Phil, I'll read it through. G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevB Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 (edited) Band I'm in at the moment gigs with the most crude ancient piece of old tat you could wish for and the singer has a phobia about monitors so we don't use any. However it means he gets all the PA plus guitar and combo into a little Ford Fiesta. As said before you can get away with a lot if you are doing small pub gigs, we've been asked to turn down (including vox) occasionally so despite a small power amp it's enough. As also said before the trick is to make sure the backline (we only put vox through PA) doesn't swamp the vocals. It's not rocket science to nip out front at soundcheck and make sure there is a sensible mix. Then it's a matter of minor tweaking depending how full the venue gets once you start the set proper. I've seen bands at the other extreme playing small venues with the most ridiculous amount of kit leaving hardly any room for the band members to work in, it's all about tailoring it right for the venue. Edited September 23, 2013 by KevB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffbyrne Posted September 23, 2013 Author Share Posted September 23, 2013 I went to see a band in a pub not far from here a few months ago. It was the kind of place where you'd get about 200 folk into if you pushed them hard - think Tokyo Underground..... Anyway, the said band miked up the drums & put the bass drum up so high that every time the drummer hit it, my seat literally rose up. There were about 60 people in that night. Didn't stay long. It was painful. Quite a few others said the same. G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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