bridge Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 (edited) Firstly, and before the Barefaced Police send round a hit squad, to burn down my house, let me quantify my position on these cabs, A) I know very little about them, other than what I have read, They are bloody expensive, worth it? probably, but expensive all the same C) I really, really, really want one!! ok that said, watching the ones for sale, the seem to go almost before they are even posted! very popular indeed, and for not a great deal less than the original purchase price. Until this week. There have been a few on here, that are hanging around, and even a Dubster on evilbay, that's still there. It is my humble opinion, that the introduction of the 3rd generation cabs, has made people stop and think, before parting with hard earned cash. I guess, in a long winded way, what I am trying to ascertain, is, what is a first generation barefaced now worth? are the prices finally reducing to a sensible level, for gen 1 at least, or is it just a blip? Sorry for lack of paragraphs, for some reason, I cannot get cursor to shift down! Edited September 29, 2013 by bridge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 (edited) I think BF cabs are very popular for two main reasons; 1. they sound very good indeed, and 2. they are light and very portable. This makes them a premium product in my view, and as such are likely to hold their value. I take your point that now we have Generation 3, Generation 1 and 2 cabs logically should be cheaper second-hand, but the G3 cabs have only recently become available - thus we don't yet fully know how the second-hand market is going to pan out. Edited September 29, 2013 by discreet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 custom made UK cabs at the technological high end.... but cheaper than my cab if I had paid the ticket price..... I don't think that they are that daft a price new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudpup Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 (edited) Another reason they hold their value is the fact that you cant just hop on the web/down to the shop and be playing it a few days later. You're likely to have a 3 month wait for the priviledge of playing one. To some, that means they are happy to pay top money to get their greedies on one quickly. I have a BB2 on order and likely to be delivered soon - it costs £699 new and i bet i could play it for 6 months and then pass it on (if i didnt get on with it) for pretty much the same to someone who doesnt want to wait. The only thing likely to change the second hand pricing is a sudden glut of Gen1 and Gen2 flooding the market as people trade up to a Gen3 and the fact that Alex has put things in place to shorten delivery times. I reckon they'll get a bit cheaper for a while and then increase again. Edited September 29, 2013 by Mudpup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge Posted September 29, 2013 Author Share Posted September 29, 2013 Don't get me wrong guys, if I had the money, I would have ordered one by now! I am well aware of the benefits, but I am just curious about the effects of gen 3 on gen 1 prices Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassBod Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 I think they are spendy..but worth it. Alex does take his products very seriously and spends a lot of time and effort getting them to market - nothing like the good ol' days of making an MDF box and chucking in one or four of the most generic speakers that could be got in quantity at low prices, so that it looked like every other company's product and fitted the market. That was a bit cynical, I know but that was how it seemed many years ago. You could only get generic and heavy speakers for bass. I'm really enjoying the new world! I'd love to upgrade my Midget for a new version..but I can wait. It still does what I bought it for, even if the new version does it slightly better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conan Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 Barefaced products seem to divide this forum's members like the Red Sea!! No idea why... I have a Compact. I used to own a Vintage. I have no idea which "g" either of them were or are. IME, there have never been enough BF cabs around to satisfy demand. Whether that is a deliberate marketing strategy is something I am unqualified upon which to comment. Whatever the advances, I have no desire to shift my Compact just to get another Compact. I'd love a super 15, but that's another issue - and I'd happily settle for a g1, g2or g3!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul S Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 I have a Midget and a Compact and can't imagine ever needing to buy another cab. One and/or the other can do pretty much anything I'll ever need them to. They weren't cheap, but I have probably saved the expense by now is not going to the osteopath so much. Alex doesn't have a bad bone in his body and makes one of the best products out there! I just cannot for the life of me understand some of the posts about Barefaced. One or two guys here almost seem to hate him and the product, the vitriol is barely under the surface. Yet no-one has ever particularly stated exactly why. I don't get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfisher Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 Some people just can't handle other people making a success of something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nottswarwick Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 I'd love one and would be having a Big Baby 2, but I couldn't wait due to a big gigging schedule and no other cab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin8708 Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 [quote name='Paul S' timestamp='1380484913' post='2226065'] Alex doesn't have a bad bone in his body and makes one of the best products out there! I just cannot for the life of me understand some of the posts about Barefaced. One or two guys here almost seem to hate him and the product, the vitriol is barely under the surface. Yet no-one has ever particularly stated exactly why. I don't get it. [/quote] Tis the way of Basschat . I've only been on BC for a few years , but Guy Pratt, Roger Baer and Jimmy Coppola have had similar treatment . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 Having had a couple of BF cabs I suppose I`m a bit biased, but I can`t understand why some seem to dislike light, powerful, easy to transport cabs with virtually no colouration of the sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skychaserhigh Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 [quote name='Lozz196' timestamp='1380489789' post='2226179'] Having had a couple of BF cabs I suppose I`m a bit biased, but I can`t understand why some seem to dislike light, powerful, easy to transport cabs with virtually no colouration of the sound. [/quote]. Well you must have disliked them if you got rid of yours ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Foxen Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 [quote name='Lozz196' timestamp='1380489789' post='2226179'] Having had a couple of BF cabs I suppose I`m a bit biased [/quote] That bias you get from actual first hand experience? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 [quote name='Paul S' timestamp='1380484913' post='2226065'] One or two guys here almost seem to hate him and the product, the vitriol is barely under the surface. Yet no-one has ever particularly stated exactly why. I don't get it. [/quote] Me neither. I suspect there may be something going on there that we are not party to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Lord Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 (edited) I have a Compact, one of the first ones, which I bought from someone on here. It's very light and gives me a great sound with the Ashdown MiBass head that I use. Also much louder in use than many other cabinets I have used before. It's not THAT compact though - despite its name. They don't appear to be of the highest build quality (nothing like the quality of a TC Electronic for example) - but they're not bad, and I have been told that the later ones are of a higher build standard. I'd recommend them highly. Edited September 29, 2013 by The Dark Lord Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Foxen Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 [quote name='skychaserhigh' timestamp='1380491969' post='2226225'] Here we go again , jumping in on my comments and twisting them ! No bias at all , it was just a question. Jeez , Barefaced really is a touchy subject around these here parts ..... [/quote] Are you posting under two different accounts, or, in spite of me quoting someone else right there in the post, decided it was addressing you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skychaserhigh Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 [quote name='Mr. Foxen' timestamp='1380502589' post='2226364'] Are you posting under two different accounts, or, in spite of me quoting someone else right there in the post, decided it was addressing you? My apologies , I missed the other post and thought it was meant for me ! I'm tired and really should get some sleep.... [/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge Posted September 30, 2013 Author Share Posted September 30, 2013 bloody hell! Once again, a comment about BF cabs, brings out everyone defending them. In my original post, I stated 'I really, really, really want one!' I also said they are expensive, but are probably worth it! my query was, would the G3 cabs, bring down the resale value of the G1. However, lots of people seem to take it as a slight on the product! I reiterate, i want one!!!! I just cant afford it at present, I have nothing against them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt on your Bass? Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 It's impossible to predict the second hand market, however I think the price will drop on the older models - maybe not immediately, but they will. G3 will hit the second hand market at some point in the future and as an updated newer model based on barefaced resale to date I expect them to hold a very good second hand price. I think it's at the point that g3 hit the market that prices will begin to drop more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 If I'm using pro gear and is been used for a few years it's already paid for itself imo, i wouldn't worry to much about future value it possible used prices as long as it's what you want at a price you are happy with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlfer Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 I have a simplistic view perhaps. I reckon the supply situation will always help those of us who have good conditioned used ones, in terms of resale price. Just speculation though. As to why some sell? Some of us are magpies, attracted by the latest shiny thing. Them pretty ones from the Swedish company for example Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davehux Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 As the former owner of a used Big One, and the current owner of a brand new Super 12T/V, for me it's the pleasure of owning something that was hand built in Britain, by people who are totally dedicated to the sole task of producing the best bass cabs that they can. It's like owning a Morgan or an Aston Martin, instead of a Mercedes or a Lexus. I think the long lead times for a new cab (3½ months for mine) will always keep the second-hand price up. I sold my Big One for what I paid for it and had the pleasure of using the mighty beast for 6 months. Why buy the S12T? You bad lot, who told the world that it was incredible. ...and yes it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 (edited) [quote name='davehux' timestamp='1380529048' post='2226463'] You bad lot, who told the world that it was incredible? [/quote] I feel at least partly responsible, sorry. Edited September 30, 2013 by discreet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge Posted September 30, 2013 Author Share Posted September 30, 2013 I am beginning to hate you lot! all I wanted was an idea of prices, with a view to maybe buying one second hand, now I am desperate to get one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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