Lowender Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Specialty guitar makers aren't really luthiers. They're essentially carpenters. And ALL guitars are a combination of machine work and hand building. Everything From a Fodera is a Squier. So there's a little bit of snob appeal here and it's significance is quite overrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conan Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 [quote name='Lowender' timestamp='1380644039' post='2228373'] Specialty guitar makers aren't really luthiers[/quote] What's a luthier then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 (edited) [quote name='Lowender' timestamp='1380644039' post='2228373'] Specialty guitar makers aren't really luthiers. They're essentially carpenters. And ALL guitars are a combination of machine work and hand building. Everything From a Fodera is a Squier. So there's a little bit of snob appeal here and it's significance is quite overrated. [/quote] *snigger* Why don't you send off a few emails to these carpenters. They'll make for an ace inclusion in the book. Edited October 1, 2013 by EBS_freak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingus Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 (edited) [quote name='Conan' timestamp='1380637299' post='2228239'] Really? Widely regarded as one of the best basses Fender ever made. I love 'em. Anyway - back OT... [/quote] I know a lot of folks like them , but the neck is way too skinny for me , and the fake blocks and binding irritate me. Not that keen on the pickups, either. I think the uber skinny neck affects sound quite a bit , too , in all probability. To my ears, there's a slightly nasal upper -mid emphasis that is out of keeping with what a real 72 Jazz sounds like. I would much rather Fender had made a production model of this bass that cost more but was much closer to the original bass that Geddy bought i.e not Custom Shop , but not a cheap imitation , either. Edited October 1, 2013 by Dingus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmo Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Surely the word Luthier is a descriptive word for their work. If every carpenter were all lumped together, then you could spend a lot of time looking for someone to build you a fine cabinet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfisher Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Or knock you up a new roof. Alternatively, if you can find yourself a more versatile tradesman . . . . . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1UHwZS3FE8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingus Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 (edited) Lutherie encompasses specialist carpentry skills, along with various skills . Saying that a luthier is just a carpenter is akin to saying that a surgeon is just a butcher. More luthiers would use machines to help them in their work if they could afford the machinery, but most can't so do the work by hand . Edited October 1, 2013 by Dingus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louisthebass Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 [quote name='Hobbayne' timestamp='1380635793' post='2228203'] I really have to admire anyone getting a custom made bass, but on reading this thread I dont think I,ll bother! [/quote] I had a custom build by a very reputable builder - I was promised 6 months, and the build was completed and in my hands in that time. Not every custom build is a bad experience. From some of the threads I've seen over the years on the forum, the vast majority seem to have a favourable outcome.... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2wheeler Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 On a point of principle, I think you can only name and shame somebody after you have given them some time to rectify the situation AND TOLD THEM that you are going to post on a particular forum, so that they have a meaningful right to reply. After that, go ahead. Only by exchanging this information can we work out what's going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tauzero Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 [quote name='EBS_freak' timestamp='1380634805' post='2228191'] It absolutely does matter what the stories are like. Some folk for example, I knew if I dealt with (given the stories that I have read), would be a rollercoaster ride. I'd have to think carefully about taking that step. Perhaps I should clarify - sometimes the want for the product overrides all the negative stories. You brain tells you it's a bad move... but your heart really wants it. [/quote] OK, what you said (and I did quote it in my initial response) was "It doesn't matter what stories good or bad you are told..." - and that's to qualify that if you want something that only X can provide, X has you over a barrel and you'd better lube up. So yes, I think we're in agreement - my point being that the stories are valuable because they can affect your decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Rock Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 [quote name='timmo' timestamp='1380645551' post='2228401'] Surely the word Luthier is a descriptive word for their work. If every carpenter were all lumped together, then you could spend a lot of time looking for someone to build you a fine cabinet. [/quote] You'd need a cabinet maker for that. It's a specialist skill, like luthiery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tauzero Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 [quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1380636892' post='2228227'] But the fact is, and I'm sorry to say this and I hope I don't offend anyone, but every time I go to a bass bash or play someone's bass, or even buy a bass from someone on here, most of the time I am surprised by how badly they are set up, and how poorly they play, sometimes I am amazed at how little they seem to have been cared for. [/quote] That's [s]relousing[/s] relicing for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Foxen Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 [quote name='Conan' timestamp='1380644237' post='2228374'] What's a luthier then? [/quote] They make lutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tauzero Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 [quote name='Lowender' timestamp='1380644039' post='2228373'] Specialty guitar makers aren't really luthiers. They're essentially carpenters. [/quote] Don't be silly. They're joiners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfisher Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 or chippies . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTUK Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Both my current basses are custom made and I am thinking hard about another. I know exactly what I am gettting and what I want and I still expect the guy to surprise me a little.... in positive way. The only decision is which bass I sell to accomodate..as 3 basses is too much for me. Of course, I might just say, what the hell and go ahead anyway. I am expecting a year to build it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTUK Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 [quote name='EBS_freak' timestamp='1380640318' post='2228302'] Pavel single cut Jazz - lovely isn't it? [/quote] yep... the colour kills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 (edited) [quote name='tauzero' timestamp='1380647875' post='2228452'] OK, what you said (and I did quote it in my initial response) was "It doesn't matter what stories good or bad you are told..." - and that's to qualify that if you want something that only X can provide, X has you over a barrel and you'd better lube up. So yes, I think we're in agreement - my point being that the stories are valuable because they can affect your decision. [/quote] Yes! (I think!) in that if you must have a product, your heart takes over and the stories can become irrelevant, apart from telling you how much lube you may need. Good clarification! Edited October 1, 2013 by EBS_freak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 (edited) [quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1380649439' post='2228490'] yep... the colour kills. [/quote] Seafoam green! Edited October 1, 2013 by EBS_freak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle psychosis Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 [quote name='EBS_freak' timestamp='1380640318' post='2228302'] Pavel single cut Jazz - lovely isn't it? [/quote] its incredible. I love everything about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 [quote name='uncle psychosis' timestamp='1380649796' post='2228500'] its incredible. I love everything about it. [/quote] Join the club! Now. Where are the Pavel stories? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTUK Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 [quote name='EBS_freak' timestamp='1380649669' post='2228496'] Seafoam green! [/quote] well, thanks very much... you've just sewn a seed of doubt into my cast-in-stone colour scheme for my next commision arrrhhhhhhhhh !!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 (edited) [quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1380650004' post='2228504'] well, thanks very much... you've just sewn a seed of doubt into my cast-in-stone colour scheme for my next commision arrrhhhhhhhhh !!!!! [/quote] Surf green and seafoam green. Both beautiful. Choose wisely! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! (of course, you do realise that you'll fast become your chosen luthier's worst enemy when the colour on the bass he builds doesn't match the one above...) Edited October 1, 2013 by EBS_freak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTUK Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Ha ha .... but I know who does the paint job...just down the road from me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Let me guess. Sei and Sims? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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