Lowender Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Well, he is really really good. lol. BUT... he doesn't really do it for me. No disrespect. That's just my taste. His tricks are terrific but his playing with a band isn't particularly interesting. TO ME. His slapping is good but so is the slapping of thousands of blokes. So it comes down to his two handed tap/chord melody playing. That's where he's the master, right? Well, check this out. I believe what this guy is doing is so far beyond what Wooton has ever done. He's stupidly great. Never heard of him. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2wuhDDhzoU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crez5150 Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Not sure.... I don't know this guy but I found it completely un-musical...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Rock Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 (edited) Not played the vid, but I think I recognise the bass player. Does he play with Keith Emmerson? Edit, got home and watched the vid now. The name on the drums gives it away somewhat. Close but no cigar Edited October 10, 2013 by Roland Rock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Couldn't get past the smug nodding myself... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowender Posted October 10, 2013 Author Share Posted October 10, 2013 [quote name='crez5150' timestamp='1381414199' post='2238734'] Not sure.... I don't know this guy but I found it completely un-musical...... [/quote] Okay, that's funny. Every measure was a melody. Are you familiar with the song? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziphoblat Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Some of Victor Wootens stuff is great. He loses musicality a bit sometimes, but usually when he's playing by himself in some booth or something (advertising some product by playing a million notes a second, he's just doing it for the money). His playing Bela Fleck and the Flecktones is awesome. [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrlpFA5BbuU"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrlpFA5BbuU[/url] And on a purely technical level I think he's above anything in that video you posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 To answer the question... I'm as likely to repeatedly listen to the clip in the OP as I am to a Victor Wooten solo performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 [quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1381415103' post='2238749'] To answer the question... I'm as likely to repeatedly listen to the clip in the OP as I am to a Victor Wooten solo performance. [/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynepunkdude Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Tedium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skol303 Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Basschat's own Andy Saxton does this better than anyone, in my opinion. Here's one of my favourite's of his - an oldie, but a goodie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAmX3yDkx2M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crez5150 Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 [quote name='Lowender' timestamp='1381414877' post='2238744'] Okay, that's funny. Every measure was a melody. Are you familiar with the song? [/quote] No I'm not familiar with the song.... to me it just really didn't sound very musical.... Whats the original piece called? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassBus Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 (edited) [quote name='Skol303' timestamp='1381415848' post='2238773'] Basschat's own Andy Saxton does this better than anyone, in my opinion. [/quote] Seconded. Here's a newer one of his. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UyZm459eck Edited March 24, 2014 by icastle Link fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Foxen Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 [quote name='Lowender' timestamp='1381413901' post='2238726'] His tricks are terrific but his playing with a band isn't particularly interesting. [/quote] Playing with a band isn't supposed to be interesting, its supposed to be part of the band being interesting, otherwise its playing in spite of the band. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowender Posted October 10, 2013 Author Share Posted October 10, 2013 [quote name='Ziphoblat' timestamp='1381415038' post='2238747'] Some of Victor Wootens stuff is great. He loses musicality a bit sometimes, but usually when he's playing by himself in some booth or something (advertising some product by playing a million notes a second, he's just doing it for the money). His playing Bela Fleck and the Flecktones is awesome. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrlpFA5BbuU[/media] And on a purely technical level I think he's above anything in that video you posted. [/quote] We can debate preference all day long but i have to disagree on the technical aspect. I know I can work out what Victor plays on that clip by the end of the day. It's mostly fast pentatonic stuff and I can play fast. But I wouldn't be able to do what the guy in that clip does if I practiced it 5 hours a day for the next 5 years. Now again, if you don't like it you don't like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowender Posted October 10, 2013 Author Share Posted October 10, 2013 (edited) [quote name='BassBus' timestamp='1381416179' post='2238782'] Seconded. Here's a newer one of his. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UyZm459eck [/quote] He's great. More lick-y than chord melody but great nonetheless. Wasn't he mentioned in that "Top 10 Best Bass Channels on YouTube" article? Edited March 24, 2014 by icastle Link fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowender Posted October 10, 2013 Author Share Posted October 10, 2013 [quote name='Mr. Foxen' timestamp='1381416281' post='2238783'] Playing with a band isn't supposed to be interesting, its supposed to be part of the band being interesting, otherwise its playing in spite of the band. [/quote] Okay, that's absurd. You don't think James Jamerson or Chris Squire or John Entwistle or Paul McCartney or Steve Harris or Anthony Jackson or John Paul Jones play anything interesting? They play in spite of the music? Come on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziphoblat Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 [quote name='Lowender' timestamp='1381416296' post='2238784'] We can debate preference all day long but i have to disagree on the technical aspect. I know I can work out what Victor plays on that clip by the end of the day. It's mostly fast pentatonic stuff and I can play fast. But I wouldn't be able to do what the guy in that clip does if I practiced it 5 hours a day for the next 5 years. Now again, if you don't like it you don't like it. [/quote] I wasn't suggesting that what Victor plays on that clip was technically more challenging. I was simply using at as an example of good musical playing by Victor against the argument that his playing within a band is uninteresting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul h Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I lasted 58 seconds through the first video. Do I get a medal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBass Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Hmm the OP video just isn't interesting at all, it took me 30 seconds to turn it off and that's because I wanted to give him a bit of time to do something, I just thought the playing wasn't clean enough for that type of performance, for me the tone was naff and I just wasn't interested! I love Victors arrangements and covers, those are fantastic although I do often think he and anyone like him are too overcomplicated and try to fit too many things in and it looses all sense of a song and just because a show off fest! There's as much to be said about presentation and understanding as there is for chops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 (edited) [quote name='Lowender' timestamp='1381413901' post='2238726']...Never heard of him...[/quote] He's unlikely to ever get noticed if he always shuns the limelight in that way. Maybe he's shy..? Edited October 10, 2013 by Dad3353 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EliasMooseblaster Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 [quote name='Muzz' timestamp='1381414784' post='2238742'] Couldn't get past the smug nodding myself... [/quote] This. I really wish bass players wouldn't do that. Yes, he is technically incredibly adept and playing things I could never play, but does he have to look so damn pleased with himself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Foxen Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 (edited) [quote name='Lowender' timestamp='1381416700' post='2238793'] Okay, that's absurd. You don't think James Jamerson or Chris Squire or John Entwistle or Paul McCartney or Steve Harris or Anthony Jackson or John Paul Jones play anything interesting? They play in spite of the music? Come on. [/quote] If that is the case, are the rest of the band not relevant to the music? I'd say that the rest of the band is entirely necessary to the piece, and their bass parts are exact that, parts. No-one would have ever heard of Jamerson as a solo artist, the massive strength in his playing was from serving the song. that being his job as a paid session musician. Edited October 10, 2013 by Mr. Foxen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingus Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Victor seems like a lovely bloke, and I really admire his committment to music education and travelling the globe showing people how he does what he does, but his playing has never been to my taste. He has got some incredible skills, but he has never found a proper outlet for those talents, in my opinion , and once you strip away the flash , what is really left? His playing leaves me cold, I'm sorry to say, but the thousands of bad imitators he has inspired drive me crazy! A generation of young bass players have grown up thinking that the point of playing the bass is to try and find any excuse to try and execute a kind of palm-muted double thump classical extravaganza. Badly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Foxen Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 [quote name='Dingus' timestamp='1381418212' post='2238831'] Victor seems like a lovely bloke, and I really admire his committment to music education and travelling the globe showing people how he does what he does, but his playing has never been to my taste. He has got some incredible skills, but he has never found a proper outlet for those talents, in my opinion , and once you strip away the flash , what is really left? His playing leaves me cold, I'm sorry to say, but the thousands of bad imitators he has inspired drive me crazy! A generation of young bass players have grown up thinking that the point of playing the bass is to try and find any excuse to try and execute a kind of palm-muted double thump classical extravaganza. Badly. [/quote] Think a bunch is because he has never done anything but play bass/music, so his music hasn't got a life to talk about other than playing music, so it doesn't connect to people outside of that level. think in that Bass Extreme's DVD, Steve Bailey says somehting about things you did as a kid, and Vic was 'Nope, I just played bass with my brothers'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crez5150 Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 [quote name='Mr. Foxen' timestamp='1381418378' post='2238840'] Think a bunch is because he has never done anything but play bass/music, so his music hasn't got a life to talk about other than playing music, so it doesn't connect to people outside of that level. think in that Bass Extreme's DVD, Steve Bailey says somehting about things you did as a kid, and Vic was 'Nope, I just played bass with my brothers'. [/quote] Pretty much.... you read his book and it does come across that way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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