fumps Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 As some of you will know I'm a technical adviser for a adhesives manufacturer and I often will get sent strange weird & wonderful questions from the general public. I have just received one from a guy who has a 12 string guitar that has a broken neck, now I know what our adhesives can do but I'm more worried that this repair wont be worth the effort. I believe I can specify an adhesive that will do it but I'm not sure if the guitar would be playable after this. Can someone help me on this one ? BC wont let me post pictures from my work pooter, so I may need to forward on an email if that's ok ? Any help & advice would be greatly appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffbyrne Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Recommend the adhesive - whether the repair is worth it or not is his decision. G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fumps Posted October 14, 2013 Author Share Posted October 14, 2013 I'm trying to help him as the guitar is a very loved instrument with a strong sentimental value to it. I'm just going an extra mile for this guy. If anyone can help it would be great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Difficult to say without seeing photos, but normally with neck and headstock breaks the condition of the broken surfaces is the most important consideration rather than the type of glue used. If the break is clean and new, then any decent wood glue should do the job (provided the joint can be clamped properly while it sets). Problems arise when bits of wood are missing or moisture has got into the bare wood revealed by the break causing it to swell. My advice is that if your customer wants the guitar to remain a playable instrument, they should take it it a reputable luthier (maybe a local one from [url=http://basschat.co.uk/topic/26654-recommended-luthiers/]this list[/url] and get the job done properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Foxen Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Rough pricing: http://www.edgeguitarservices.co.uk/maj_rep.htm If its a Gibson guitar, they are designed to have the headstock break off (must be, because if it wasn't on purpose, they'd have fixed the issue by now, like every other guitar manufacturer) so most luthiers in the neck repair field will be familiar with the work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mart Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 [quote name='Mr. Foxen' timestamp='1381753635' post='2243124'] .... If its a Gibson guitar, they are designed to have the headstock break off (must be, ... [/quote] LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neepheid Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 [quote name='Mr. Foxen' timestamp='1381753635' post='2243124'] If its a Gibson guitar, they are designed to have the headstock break off (must be, because if it wasn't on purpose, they'd have fixed the issue by now, like every other guitar manufacturer) so most luthiers in the neck repair field will be familiar with the work. [/quote] Aww man, how come none of mine have broken off? By this logic does that mean all my Gibsons are defective? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Foxen Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 [quote name='neepheid' timestamp='1381760845' post='2243249'] Aww man, how come none of mine have broken off? By this logic does that mean all my Gibsons are defective? [/quote] Probably not rocking hard enough. Common problem with Gibson owners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fumps Posted October 14, 2013 Author Share Posted October 14, 2013 Grrr I wish I could upload pics......it's getting really annoying now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neepheid Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 [quote name='Mr. Foxen' timestamp='1381761720' post='2243275'] Probably not rocking hard enough. Common problem with Gibson owners. [/quote] Awa' an' bile yer heid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Foxen Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 [quote name='fumps' timestamp='1381762120' post='2243286'] Grrr I wish I could upload pics......it's getting really annoying now [/quote] Email them over and I can photobucket them. PM incoming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 [quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1381750792' post='2243078'] Difficult to say without seeing photos, but normally with neck and headstock breaks the condition of the broken surfaces is the most important consideration rather than the type of glue used. If the break is clean and new, then any decent wood glue should do the job (provided the joint can be clamped properly while it sets). Problems arise when bits of wood are missing or moisture has got into the bare wood revealed by the break causing it to swell. My advice is that if your customer wants the guitar to remain a playable instrument, they should take it it a reputable luthier (maybe a local one from [url="http://basschat.co.uk/topic/26654-recommended-luthiers/"]this list[/url] and get the job done properly. [/quote] I concur with this. Photos could change things, but if the instrument has value (sentimental included...), then a luthier would be the best bet. Not too expensive if it's an easy one (so not much mileage in DIY...), necessary evil otherwise, if it's to be restored correctly. Just my tuppence-worth; hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete.young Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Put your pics on photobucket.com or similar and post the IMG tags here. I have a mandolin with a mahogany neck which suffered a complete break at the headstock. Local luthier is a guy called Colin Fulton who repaired the break. I dont know what adhesive he used, but you can only see the join if you know it's there and you go looking for it. Colin is a top guy who would be happy to talk to you about this. Pm me for his contact details, or you can find them in the pinned 'luthiers' thread in Bass Guitars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparkBird Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 (edited) The only time i've not been able to fix something is when the owner didn't want to pay. At worst when a head is off in pieces and blathered with epoxy in a botched diy repair i've cut it off just after the nut , taken the board off and jointed a new head on under the board area, before putting the board back on , not cheap , but noone had to chuck it in the bin . Sometimes when someone owns a 'cheap' guitar and he wants a cheap repair . Unfortunately guitar's value doesn't dictate how long the job takes . If its a straight forward job it should n't cost too much . I honestly believe the best advice you could give him is ,not to keep opening and closing the joint to have look , he''l just end up making it more difficult to repair and he should to take it to a luthier for a quote before buying the glue , he might be pleasantly surprised at the cost of the repair . Tbh if he had woodworking experience i don't think he'd be asking for glue advice . Edited October 14, 2013 by SparkBird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Apple Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 [quote name='Mr. Foxen' timestamp='1381761720' post='2243275'] Probably not rocking hard enough. Common problem with Gibson owners. [/quote] Yeah. Tell that to Nikki Sixx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myke Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 [quote name='Billy Apple' timestamp='1381785995' post='2243876'] Yeah. Tell that to Nikki Sixx [/quote] Schecter now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Foxen Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 [quote name='Billy Apple' timestamp='1381785995' post='2243876'] Yeah. Tell that to Nikki Sixx [/quote] Poor research http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEQwOUHm08M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Foxen Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 [url="http://s17.photobucket.com/user/Incarante/media/mishmash111_zpsd12bf393.jpg.html"][/url] [url="http://s17.photobucket.com/user/Incarante/media/mishmash107_zpsdca0b42d.jpg.html"][/url] [url="http://s17.photobucket.com/user/Incarante/media/mishmash108_zps01c95355.jpg.html"][/url] [url="http://s17.photobucket.com/user/Incarante/media/mishmash110_zpse3b83f48.jpg.html"][/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myke Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 (edited) Holy Moly Edited October 15, 2013 by Myke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Actually that looks like a fairly clean break - has the scarf-joint for the headstock failed? My biggest concern would be any distortion to the fingerboard - especially since one of the frets has popped out. Still a job for a decent luthier IMO. Not to fix the break itself, but all the extra work like replacing the missing fret and nut to make it playable again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charic Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Ouch!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 An estimate from a decent luthier is called for; definitely not a DIY job, imho. Looks do-able, to me, by someone competent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete1967 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 [quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1381845088' post='2244454'] Actually that looks like a fairly clean break - has the scarf-joint for the headstock failed? My biggest concern would be any distortion to the fingerboard - especially since one of the frets has popped out. Still a job for a decent luthier IMO. Not to fix the break itself, but all the extra work like replacing the missing fret and nut to make it playable again. [/quote] Agreed - Looks like it's split the fretboard which might be a bit tricky to relocate when it's trying to slide on the adhesive, but I've seen worse breaks glue up successfully. Making playable afterwards is the tough bit... plus the finish has taken a bit of a hammering so making it pretty again will need some skill. I'd be looking in the Luthiers thread for someone fairly local with a good rep to recommend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fumps Posted October 15, 2013 Author Share Posted October 15, 2013 Hi Guys Sorry I'm doing three peoples jobs today so it's mental busy here, yes as you can see by the pictures it's a nasty one. As I said to the good Mr Foxen here that I can advise on the adhesive but there are so many things to go wrong I was really unsure where to go with it. I will email the owner tomorrow & let them know. Thank you for all the help & advice offered it's really appreciated (And welcome to what I do for a living lol you never know what you will be asked one day to the next) now I have to help a sculptor design a giant bull rush using recycled bottles. You guys think I'm being random but the above is true I really am doing this tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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