stingrayPete1977 Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 OK folks my function band has gone pear shaped and I am not feeling the elc bass much really so I really need to see if I can find a tutor and get my mojo on with the upright. I have been working through Geoff's discover double bass lessons online which as we know are excellent and if I cant find anyone local I might have to take a drive up to see him in person yet. I could do with some pointers regarding the bow and a tutor to try my bows out to see if they are ok etc likewise my DB just in case I have some glaring issues I have missed, very possible! I am based near Stafford but google does not bring much stuff up at all, I have found this guy [url="http://www.musicteachers.co.uk/teacher/d5366783dedb5969e22b"]http://www.musicteachers.co.uk/teacher/d5366783dedb5969e22b[/url] Paul Jefferies but I have no idea about him, not too far being in Burton so I might drop him an email and see what he says. Tim Toft's are quite near to me so I was thinking I should ring them and ask if they know a local tutor too? Any thoughts or suggestions? I am listening to David Wong playing with Hank Jones to get me in the zone, which I am liking a lot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLoydElgar Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 What are your goals?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted October 19, 2013 Author Share Posted October 19, 2013 I want to be able to at least get a tune out of the bow, make sure the bass and the bow are as they should be, make sure I am holding the bass correctly and make sure my left and right hand techniques are heading in the right direction. That will take a lesson on its own and more probably so lesson 2 would be to get me walking better to some simple jazz tracks etc, after that who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLoydElgar Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Might be an idea of focusing on triads of each chords and how they relate to each other. Then add their extensions above the triads. But always try to be musical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted October 19, 2013 Author Share Posted October 19, 2013 I have been working through Geoffs videos and the Rufus Reid book so I am doing quite a bit of this and that, I think I really need someone to see what I am doing right/wrong and generally give me some focus now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtroun Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 If you stomach travelling to Birmingham there's bound to be someone there who could teach you, possibly a jazz student at the Conservatoire (for jazz) or a CBSO player (for classical). The very fine jazz trumpeter Percy Pursglove is also a superb bass player and teaches at the Conservatoire. He lives in Nuneaton but you might be able to see him in Birmingham. Also do you have jazz gigs that happen near your locale? If so, try and get in contact with the musicians and see if they can help you out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLoydElgar Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 (edited) Jamey Aebersold backing tracks... all 106 books... Learn them... you'll be fine... Edited October 19, 2013 by FLoydElgar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted October 19, 2013 Author Share Posted October 19, 2013 [quote name='mtroun' timestamp='1382201113' post='2249259'] If you stomach travelling to Birmingham there's bound to be someone there who could teach you, possibly a jazz student at the Conservatoire (for jazz) or a CBSO player (for classical). The very fine jazz trumpeter Percy Pursglove is also a superb bass player and teaches at the Conservatoire. He lives in Nuneaton but you might be able to see him in Birmingham. Also do you have jazz gigs that happen near your locale? If so, try and get in contact with the musicians and see if they can help you out. [/quote] Looks like I need to do a bit of digging then, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted October 19, 2013 Author Share Posted October 19, 2013 [quote name='FLoydElgar' timestamp='1382212116' post='2249443'] Jamey Aebersold backing tracks... all 106 books... Learn them... you'll be fine... [/quote] Off to google those now..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtroun Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 [quote name='FLoydElgar' timestamp='1382212116' post='2249443'] Jamey Aebersold backing tracks... all 106 books... Learn them... you'll be fine... [/quote] That may take some time... Have you thought about Skype lessons? The John Patitucci artistworks thing seems quite clever. I'm pretty sure at least one basschatter is signed up. If you want me to get in touch with any bass players at Birmingham, they are friends of friends for me. There's a fine bass player studying there now called James Banner, in his final year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLoydElgar Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 In what way does that take time ?! It's lesson books used by everyone who plays jazz he can start off at vol 1 and progress with transcription books... But hey what did I know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtroun Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 [quote name='FLoydElgar' timestamp='1382370638' post='2251342'] In what way does that take time ?! It's lesson books used by everyone who plays jazz he can start off at vol 1 and progress with transcription books... But hey what did I know [/quote] I meant it would take a long time to learn and master playing over all the different tunes that are presented in the different Jamey Aebersold books. While some of the Aebersold volumes are designed as practice aids for particular problems, the majority are collections of rhythm section backing tracks for practicing particular tunes. Some of the Aebersold books have classic status such as the Cedar Walton one, others I'm not very fond of. Lots of teachers discourage their students from practicing with Jamey Aebersold books but they have their place imo. They certainly aren't any substitute for studying with a more experienced player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLoydElgar Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 ...Going to keep it constructive and recommend the blues in 12 keys - will be a great start on your jazz adventures... Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenSeas Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 1. Buy Ed Friedlands book on walking bass lines. (understand all the approaches, chromatic, double chromatic, scalar approach, dominant approach) there are indefinitely more but it's a good place to start. 2. If you understand basic harmony, I would suggest writing walking bass lines in 2 and in 4. (4 to start off with) using the triads of each chord but making sure the line is smooth. ( I don't know how to describe this in writing) (Take a jazz standard for example Autumn Leaves) So I recommend a Fakebook or the online Irealbook is also very good. 3. To start off with you want to make sure you're using the strong/weak beat rule. So beats 1 and 3 are strong so if you were walking from. CM7 to Dm7b5. You could play, C, Eb, G, Bb (the arpeggio) and then for Dm7b5 you would come back in the direction you started. So Ab, F, D, C. (another arpeggio just a different inversion) It's really hard to explain just by typing so I recommend a good teacher, If you can write bass lines using the methods above but if you can focus on staying in half and 1st position. To start off with, this would be useful. Learning how to write bass lines which voice lead from the chord to start off with would be very useful and out of all the different teacher I have had this has been the most beneficial. (but this is just my opinion, it's neither right or wrong`) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenSeas Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 * Forgot to mention the above is lots of work split over a long period of time, I would advice finding a good teacher who understands walking bass lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted October 23, 2013 Author Share Posted October 23, 2013 I just wish there were plenty of dedicated double bass teachers nearby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubassman Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 [quote name='SevenSeas' timestamp='1382517200' post='2253002'] I would advice finding a good teacher who understands walking bass lines. [/quote] ...I think trying to find a good tutor is kind of the idea behind starting this thread ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenSeas Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 [quote name='ubassman' timestamp='1382536814' post='2253342'] ...I think trying to find a good tutor is kind of the idea behind starting this thread ! [/quote] My bad, didn't read the whole thread. If you're some what close to Birmingham I would sent the Conservatoire an email. If you have any local jazz jam sessions go to them and look for a teacher or if you know of any other well regarded bass players locally get a recommendation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted October 23, 2013 Author Share Posted October 23, 2013 I don't know any local DB players, there is no jazz jam either My mate lives in Bristol and we went in the old duke the other day, that venue looks like where I want to be! I think my obvious starting place is to ring Tim tofts and ask them if they know a local tutor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted October 23, 2013 Author Share Posted October 23, 2013 Found this! I'm going to go along to a gig if I can find anyone to go with http://www.staffordjazz.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubassman Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 ...aint no body here but chickens - what an appropriate line ! PS Pete - not a hat in sight !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted October 23, 2013 Author Share Posted October 23, 2013 I'd hand out hats on the door to people foolish enough to leave home to attend a jazz club without one! (For a small fee naturally) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubassman Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 [quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1382559864' post='2253774'] I'd hand out hats on the door to people foolish enough to leave home to attend a jazz club without one! (For a small fee naturally) [/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted October 23, 2013 Author Share Posted October 23, 2013 Cushdy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 I'd go along Pete if you need a yazzzzz wingman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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