Ou7shined Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 (edited) Could you have a look at the back of yours please, does it have one of those white labels with a serial number etc on it? I bought one off the bay off some dude last week and I'm getting a bit of a bad vibe off it and him. Edited June 21, 2008 by Ou7shined Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul_C Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 [quote name='Ou7shined' post='223792' date='Jun 21 2008, 07:40 PM']Could you have a look at the back of yours please, does it have one of those white labels with a serial number etc on it? I bought one off the bay off some dude last week and I'm getting a bit of a bad vibe off it and him. [/quote] Mine does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MythSte Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 (edited) I'll check mine when im next at the studio. Whats the story? Edit;- sorry it was just in my bag downstairs, and yes it does. Edited June 21, 2008 by ste_m3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ou7shined Posted June 21, 2008 Author Share Posted June 21, 2008 Well it's just that this one doesn't. I'd read in reviews guys mentioning the date of theirs and I was thinking "how the hell do they know" as there's nothing on this one to say. Then I noticed there's no serial. I can only think of one reason why you would remove the serial... really well. Also the guy was real snappy with me when I dropped him a friendly email after I paid instantly then didn't hear anything from him for 3 or 4 days. I put his attitude down to the fact that the guy is from London and dudes can run a little hot in the big smoke (sorry guys :blush: present company excepted of course :blush:) he also informed me that he was in Wales for a while but it would be worth the wait considering the immaculate condition of the amp. Well it turned up barely boxed and not immaculate but in I'd say "fair" condition - there's a jaggy scratch underneath and the corners have seen a little action. Nothing I couldn't live but why lie? I love the amp but it's the lack of a serial that really bothers me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorks5stringer Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 (edited) As you bought it on ebay/ though paypal, could you not open a dispute if it is not as described? If you have written evidence of its description and it is not 'immaculate' and could therefore be older than described too ( why else remove the build date and s/n?) see if you could get your money back and wait for one that is as described? Unless it was really cheap..............? PS Labelled with love too. Edited June 21, 2008 by yorks5stringer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennysFord Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 yep,labelled with model,serial and date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thumbo Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 (edited) I don't understand why it's a problem that the label isn't there. Even if it is older than described, is that a bad thing? Am I missing something blindingly obvious here? EDIT: If you're concerned that the amp may be fake or something then post some pictures on here. I'm sure we could figure out if there's anything fishy going on from a few decent pics. If you do want to do this then take a pic of the insides too (the top of the amp unscrews easily with a small philips screwdriver), I've geeked-out over the insides of the LM, LMK and TA503 a few times. Not that i know anything about electronics but I'm 99% sure I could tell a Mark bass amp from any other amp, has anyone else seen the insides of these things? It's a work of art!! Edited June 22, 2008 by thumbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ou7shined Posted June 22, 2008 Author Share Posted June 22, 2008 [quote name='yorks5stringer' post='223897' date='Jun 22 2008, 12:01 AM']As you bought it on ebay/ though paypal, could you not open a dispute if it is not as described? If you have written evidence of its description and it is not 'immaculate' and could therefore be older than described too ( why else remove the build date and s/n?) see if you could get your money back and wait for one that is as described? Unless it was really cheap..............? PS Labelled with love too.[/quote] I haven't approached him about it yet, I only discovered about the serial last night. I'll drop him a line and see what explanation he can offer about it. I'm not disappointed with it's condition, it's really not in bad nick it's just that "immaculate" is a fairly black and white description not open to interpretation and to my mind the guy hasn't been honest about it. It wasn't cheap I'd say pretty much on the money for an immaculate specimen plus rucksack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ou7shined Posted June 22, 2008 Author Share Posted June 22, 2008 [quote name='thumbo' post='223949' date='Jun 22 2008, 02:53 AM']I don't understand why it's a problem that the label isn't there. Even if it is older than described, is that a bad thing? Am I missing something blindingly obvious here? EDIT: If you're concerned that the amp may be fake or something then post some pictures on here. I'm sure we could figure out if there's anything fishy going on from a few decent pics. If you do want to do this then take a pic of the insides too (the top of the amp unscrews easily with a small philips screwdriver), I've geeked-out over the insides of the LM, LMK and TA503 a few times. Not that i know anything about electronics but I'm 99% sure I could tell a Mark bass amp from any other amp, has anyone else seen the insides of these things? It's a work of art!![/quote] I don't doubt that it is genuine. I'm worried it's nicked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreeneKing Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 (edited) Mine has a label too. I once bought an amp described as 'new' by the eBay seller. It came without a box, manual or even a 'kettle' lead and it was covered in grubby fingermarks on the anodised plate around the controls. I suspect it had been nicked and I had the serial number checked out by a police colleague although nothing came up (it may not have been reported stolen or the owner didn't have a record of the serial number). The seller I learnt later was arrested trying to sell a stolen guitar on eBay. But you bought in good faith and the amp can't now be traced anyway. I got my amp for a good price and ended up getting another £20 back from the seller too in a dispute. Maybe that's your best approach as after all it's plainly not immaculate. Peter Edited June 22, 2008 by GreeneKing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ou7shined Posted June 22, 2008 Author Share Posted June 22, 2008 [quote name='GreeneKing' post='224006' date='Jun 22 2008, 10:17 AM']I once bought an amp described as 'new' by the eBay seller. It came without a box, manual or even a 'kettle' lead and it was covered in grubby fingermarks on the anodised plate around the controls...[/quote] That's [b]exactly [/b]how this one came (albeit in it's rucksack). Practically the first thing I did with it was wipe it down. [quote name='GreeneKing' post='224006' date='Jun 22 2008, 10:17 AM']But you bought in good faith and the amp can't now be traced anyway.[/quote] Absolutely, I just have a conscience about it. (a mix of bad karma and a niggling feeling about receiving possible stolen goods) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thumbo Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 Is there anything you can do? What is his other feedback like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ou7shined Posted June 22, 2008 Author Share Posted June 22, 2008 That's just it. His fb [url="http://feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=ptahbaby&ftab=AllFeedback&sspagename=STRK:MEWN:SFS&iid=170227092815&item=170227092815&frm=1883"]doesn't scream dodger[/url] (100% for 22) and he seems to have sold a few musical related item before. I've emailed him now. Let's see what he's saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean-Luc Pickguard Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 Seems there are quite a few LMII owners here. Mine has the white sticker as well. I can think of no reasonable explanation for the label to be removed unless its nicked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Splayer Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 i have a white label with a serial number. weird as i haven`t got an amp i`ll get my coat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ou7shined Posted June 22, 2008 Author Share Posted June 22, 2008 [quote name='uptonmark' post='224190' date='Jun 22 2008, 03:10 PM']i have a white label with a serial number. weird as i haven`t got an amp i`ll get my coat [/quote] Grrr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ou7shined Posted June 22, 2008 Author Share Posted June 22, 2008 I've had a reply. [quote]hi i would disagree in terms of its condition being second hand and the fact that it was hardly used just for personnel practice! having been traveling for sometime it sat there collecting dust! with regards to the serial number it was given to me by a friend who was promoting mark bass gear![/quote] Well I sure wasn't expecting that. What do you think? And as for the condition I'll let you guys decide who's telling the truth. [url="http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/ou7shined/bass/LMIIscratchedup0.jpg"]http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/ou7s...cratchedup0.jpg[/url] [url="http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/ou7shined/bass/LMIIscratchedup1.jpg"]http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/ou7s...cratchedup1.jpg[/url] (admittedly I'm being a bit picky with this one - the knob is scuffed) [url="http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/ou7shined/bass/LMIIscratchedup2.jpg"]http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/ou7s...cratchedup2.jpg[/url] [url="http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/ou7shined/bass/LMIIscratchedup3.jpg"]http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/ou7s...cratchedup3.jpg[/url] [url="http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/ou7shined/bass/LMIIscratchedup4.jpg"]http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/ou7s...cratchedup4.jpg[/url] [url="http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/ou7shined/bass/LMIIscratchedup5.jpg"]http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/ou7s...cratchedup5.jpg[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MythSte Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 Its definately not immaculate but i wouldnt lose sleep over it either. It might just be that hes always lobbed it in a bag to transport it. Thats what i do and i fully expect a few scuffs here and there! But is he hasnt been upfront about the condition theres very little to be done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phsycoandy Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 perhaps it was a development amp or something where a serial number wasnt asigned, dunno. Mine has the requisite white sticker etc, but urs looks ok other than the sticker albeit a bit beat up which i guess might fit with it possibly being a sample unit or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 Not immaculate, but not very bad either. I'd have described it as very good condition with a bit of "rack rash" and maybe shown a picture of the worst bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean-Luc Pickguard Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 I'd push for more info about the "promoting markbass gear" thing. Markbass or Proel would know if any were released into circulation without a serial no for promotional use - whilst not being a possible explanation it does sound likely to be complete BS. I would expect that promotional ones remain the property of the manufacturer or distributor and need to be returned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ou7shined Posted June 23, 2008 Author Share Posted June 23, 2008 [quote name='Jean-Luc Pickguard' post='224531' date='Jun 22 2008, 10:22 PM']I'd push for more info about the "promoting markbass gear" thing. Markbass or Proel would know if any were released into circulation without a serial no for promotional use - whilst not being a possible explanation it does sound likely to be complete BS. I would expect that promotional ones remain the property of the manufacturer or distributor and need to be returned.[/quote] Cheers Jean-Luc. I queried MarkBass about it last night - I won't hold my breath waiting for a reply from them though. But through your suggestion I contacted Proel this morning. 20 mins later I get this reply. [quote]Hi Rich Thanks for your e-mail. I've never heard of this before. We have had one or two units over here from Markbass for exhibitions or samples on approval and these sometimes have no serial numbers or item codes on but these have always been sent back to the manufacturer after we have finished with them and never sold onto the shops. The label itself is only an adhesive label so could have been peeled off by someone although I can't imagine why anyone would want to do that other than if it was stolen and they didn't want it to be identified. Unfortunately its the chance you take when buying off ebay. Sorry I couldn't have been more help. Kind Regards Danny[/quote] I think it's fairly certain to have been half inched then. Time to get back in touch with the seller. I hate this bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorks5stringer Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 If it came with the bag, why is it so scratched, as surely one would just keep it in the bag: that's what I do with mine and it looks brand new! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ou7shined Posted June 23, 2008 Author Share Posted June 23, 2008 You'd think. Out of interest, what are the 2 velcro circles on the inside of the rucksack for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean-Luc Pickguard Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 [quote name='Ou7shined' post='224910' date='Jun 23 2008, 12:04 PM']You'd think. Out of interest, what are the 2 velcro circles on the inside of the rucksack for?[/quote] I can't recall where I heard it, but I believe the flap folds under & the velcro is intended to stick to the fuzzy carpet on the cab & stop it slipping off. I don't do it on my cab though as I prefer it to be unbobbly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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