TheDaivisch Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 To cut a long story short, I'm selling 2x Vanderkley 112MNT cabs to free up some money for a honeymoon and I want to replace them both with 1x reasonably priced 410 cab and pair it with my Genz Shuttlemax 9.2 (900 watts @4ohms/500 watts @8ohms). The two that I have my eye on are: [url="http://ashdownmusic.com/products/1/Bass-Amplification/2/ABM/23/ABM-410H-Cabinet-/"]http://ashdownmusic.com/products/1/Bass-Amplification/2/ABM/23/ABM-410H-Cabinet-/[/url] and [url="http://www.gak.co.uk/en/genz-benz-fcs-410t/71124"]http://www.gak.co.uk/en/genz-benz-fcs-410t/71124[/url] I like Genz speakers but have found some of their cabs a little too smooth or dark in certain frequencies (having owned a Neo 212), so I'm kind of leaning towards the Ashdown. I've played a 210 Ashdown combo at a practice studio and was pleasantly surprised (having always looked down on Ashdown a little as a budget brand). What are your thoughts? Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 I'd try both & use your ears. If you buy 2nd hand (e.g. for sale section on here), then you can try & if you buy & don't like it after a bit, sell it for @ what you bought it for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt on your Bass? Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 I wouldn't exclude the MAG series of ashdown cabs if you're considering ashdown - there's not a huge difference between ABM and the MAGs in reality. Agree with the above, try them out (ideally at rehearsal/gig if you can). If weight is a factor, I'd go for the genz though as there's a bit of a saving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musicman20 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 I'd check the other prices GAK have on the blow out GB gear (hint...a few deals coming up). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 An ashdown cab will just choke your shuttlemax imo, the neo2x12 is basically just a pa cab so I can't see how it would be smooth or dark, it can do smooth and it can do dark, but if you put a gritty ampeg simulator through it then it would do that too. You get out what you put in imo, ask someone with a streamliner 900 if they find a lack of grit for example Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDaivisch Posted October 31, 2013 Author Share Posted October 31, 2013 [quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1383158563' post='2261011'] An ashdown cab will just choke your shuttlemax imo, the neo2x12 is basically just a pa cab so I can't see how it would be smooth or dark, it can do smooth and it can do dark, but if you put a gritty ampeg simulator through it then it would do that too. You get out what you put in imo, ask someone with a streamliner 900 if they find a lack of grit for example [/quote] Isn't sound a little bit objective? The 212 had lots of clarity and a a very full range, just to my ears, at least with my bass/setup, it sounded like there was a slight scoop in the upper mids which I don't find with my Vanderkley. What makes you say that the Ashdown will choke the Genz? Frequency response? Experience? Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musicman20 Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 I think going from a pretty well regarded 2x12 which is fairly clear, although still voiced for bass guitar, to Ashdown, or indeed Vanderkley to Ashdown, you might lose some definition and clarity. The hi mid tone will just be Vanderkley's voicing of their cabs. A lot of hi mid can in a sense make a cab seems very clear/unforgiving as the detail comes through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDaivisch Posted October 31, 2013 Author Share Posted October 31, 2013 (edited) As I am an aggressive rock fingerstyle player in a bass heavy band where I need to cut through, I need some decent mids. How about a second hand Markbass STD 104HR? Any experience of the relative tone of these? Edited October 31, 2013 by TheDaivisch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 I have a Markbass 2x10 & that knocks seven shades out of the Trace elliot 4x10 I used to have in every respect. Never tried their 4x10s though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 (edited) [quote name='TheDaivisch' timestamp='1383212575' post='2261507'] Isn't sound a little bit objective? The 212 had lots of clarity and a a very full range, just to my ears, at least with my bass/setup, it sounded like there was a slight scoop in the upper mids which I don't find with my Vanderkley. What makes you say that the Ashdown will choke the Genz? Frequency response? Experience? Dave [/quote] I have owned and used loads of Ashdown gear, they sound like someone forgot to take the packing box off before using them, loads of guys on here say they don't lack any top end usually the guys playing a p bass with flats using their thumb and with a foam mute behind the strings! The Genz can recreate that if you put a woolly amp through it but putting your Genz into an Ashdown cab won't get rid of the dull cab, it might have more top than a full Ashdown rig and it might even be enough for your tastes but that's what i mean by choked, something which will not allow the full Genz range to flow through, choked. Edited October 31, 2013 by stingrayPete1977 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 [quote name='TheDaivisch' timestamp='1383212575' post='2261507'] What makes you say that the Ashdown will choke the Genz? Frequency response? Experience? [/quote] No, I think he's referring to the smoke from the inevitable fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Mine used to cut out way before the fire started! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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