CMR Bass Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Hi BassChat friends, Does anyone suffer the same problem with their neck bolts/screws woking loose on their bolt-on neck basses? If you do, what do you do to solve this problem? In the past I've fitted neck anchors but they still work loose pretty quick even with the light gauge of 40-95 that I use. I've had the thought of using lock-tight or superglue to hold them in but there must be a better way. I do prefer neck through passive basses because the lack of batteries and bolts are two less things to think about. I know other players feel the same way. I'm hopeing to hear from other members have overcome this problem with a much more effective method. Look forward to hear from you all, Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3below Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Never had screws coming loose in 40+ yrs of screw on necks. Metal inserts could be a solution, could try copydex in metal inserts or wood since this will stop screws loosening but still can be undone. At a push can use PVA glue since heat to screw via soldering iron will allow removal later. Another possibility is using anti shake (serrated) washers. Hope neck stays put in future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alyctes Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 That sounds bad - if nothing else, it's not going to do the screws any good. I've never heard of it before. Is it just on one bass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brensabre79 Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 [url="http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GeetarGizmos-GUITAR-NECK-INSERT-KIT-Stainless-Set-of-4-Luthier-Tool-Bolt-On-Neck-/131008125674?pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item1e80b15aea"]These[/url] are what you're looking for... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3below Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Brensabre79 is bang on with the link. Those are the metal inserts I would try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMR Bass Posted November 8, 2013 Author Share Posted November 8, 2013 Thanks for your replies chaps. Yeah, I've used those before (stated in my opening post) but they work loose pretty quick because there's no real friction holding them in like with screws agaist wood. I found with those achors/bolts that I overtighten and that pulls on the brass insert thus ripping it out the neck. The problem with the neck bolts loosening off must be a common problem. This is a thing I've nothiced with all bolt-on neck basses. The screws don't work all the way out but they do loosen up, enough of have to tighen them back in. This is especially noticeable usually when the strings are removed and the tension is taken out the neck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanAxe Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Never had this happen on any guitar or bass I have owned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Rock Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 What type of bass is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grissle Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Been working on Guitars/Basses for over 30 years and no this is not a common problem. On fact I've never encounterd it, stripped screw holes yes but not just working loose. If the holes are in good shape I'd suggest some medium thread locker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorris Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 just to add that I've never experienced this issue - although without actual experience I would have thought it would happen - so something odd seems to be going on here ? Just one bass or several ? What wood types ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinner Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Screws can work loose from graphite instruments/components, my experience is same as obove regarding wood (not had any loose screws) -no pun intended! Are they definately tightening up and not 'stripped' the wood!? You could try a mix of wood shavings and wood glue or cascamite is pretty good-make up a paste, fill holes let dry thoroughly then re-drill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcnach Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 [quote name='CMR Bass' timestamp='1383952057' post='2271319'] The problem with the neck bolts loosening off must be a common problem. [/quote] Is it??? Never had that issue on basses or guitars. I find it quite odd, in fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 [quote name='brensabre79' timestamp='1383911323' post='2270665'] [url="http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GeetarGizmos-GUITAR-NECK-INSERT-KIT-Stainless-Set-of-4-Luthier-Tool-Bolt-On-Neck-/131008125674?pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item1e80b15aea"]These[/url] are what you're looking for... [/quote] This is the solution there is no way they can work lose from the wood if fitted correctly and level as they tap a new thread I have used these before with fantastic results and they also give the bass or guitar better sustain. I would say that if you had problems with them coming loose they were not installed correctly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 [quote name='CMR Bass' timestamp='1383952057' post='2271319'] The problem with the neck bolts loosening off must be a common problem. [/quote] I have never, in any way whatsoever, experienced this in forty years of playing bolt-on basses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffbyrne Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 I'd like to know what you are doing to the poor bass to make the neck work loose - I've never heard of it in 50 years of working with basses & guitars. G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Rock Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 This may seem like a silly question, but I don't suppose, by any chance, that the bass' body is made of cheese? That would explain it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffbyrne Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 [quote name='CMR Bass' timestamp='1383952057' post='2271319'] [b]I found .......... that I overtighten and that pulls on the brass insert thus ripping it out the neck.[/b] [/quote] I think you have supplied your own answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telebass Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 [quote name='geoffbyrne' timestamp='1384599163' post='2278501'] I'd like to know what you are doing to the poor bass to make the neck work loose - I've never heard of it in 50 years of working with basses & guitars. G. [/quote] This. Never had such a problem in 40+ years of Fender playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlungerModerno Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 [quote name='Roland Rock' timestamp='1384624097' post='2278905'] This may seem like a silly question, but I don't suppose, by any chance, that the bass' body is made of cheese? That would explain it. [/quote] +1 on looking at the bass - either quirks with wood, screws or other construction could be to blame. Correctly installed neck screws shouldn't work loose by themselves - definately not those using threaded inserts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 [quote name='PlungerModerno' timestamp='1384767777' post='2280339'] +1 on looking at the bass - either quirks with wood, screws or other construction could be to blame. Correctly installed neck screws shouldn't work loose by themselves - definately not those using threaded inserts. [/quote]All I can think of is that the neck inserts were forced into a hole hat was to small and split the wood or the hole was to big they should never come lose if fitted properly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMR Bass Posted June 7, 2014 Author Share Posted June 7, 2014 When I say they come loose, I don't mean they work all the way out, they just loosen up. You could only tell this by taking a screwdriver to the screws during routine maintenance. It's very common due to string vibration which is why I'm not a fan of bolt-on basses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcnach Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 [quote name='CMR Bass' timestamp='1402154113' post='2470521'] When I say they come loose, I don't mean they work all the way out, they just loosen up. You could only tell this by taking a screwdriver to the screws during routine maintenance. It's very common due to string vibration which is why I'm not a fan of bolt-on basses. [/quote] Is it very common? I must have been incredibly lucky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 [quote name='mcnach' timestamp='1402156190' post='2470549'] Is it very common? I must have been incredibly lucky [/quote] We all must have been very very lucky. In 40 years of playing bolt on basses I've never even heard the problem referred to before this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiOgon Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 [quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1402156505' post='2470555'] We all must have been very very lucky. In 40 years of playing bolt on basses I've never even heard the problem referred to before this thread. [/quote] Same here - but put me down for 50 years next year - not a common problem I'm sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowieBass Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 (edited) It's never happened to me either; I can't see how string vibration could be enough to work a neck screw loose, if it were all the other screws would be doing the same? Edited June 7, 2014 by HowieBass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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