steve-bbb Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 [quote name='chriswareham' timestamp='1388242554' post='2319854'] "Never underestimate the power of standing on stage, dressed in black and holding a guitar." - Attribution unknown [/quote] ok ok so technically she's not wearing black Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chriswareham Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 [quote name='steve-bbb' timestamp='1388250524' post='2320007'] ok ok so technically she's not wearing black [/quote] The guitarist forgot her knickers? And her skirt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 [quote name='chriswareham' timestamp='1388257275' post='2320125'] The guitarist forgot her knickers? And her skirt? [/quote] Thats showbiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davehux Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 [quote name='mrtcat' timestamp='1388241332' post='2319834'] Never made us a success although I doubt the dressing up would be enough to polish our musical turd. [/quote] Never the forget the wise words... "You can't polish a turd, but you can cover it in glitter" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bassman7755 Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 [quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1388174938' post='2319214'] To put it in perspective, here's the eponymous video from his new album. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRjpTlkmv5w[/media] [/quote] Using a rickenbacker guitar is very unusual (thank god) and obviously an attempt to attain some retro-chic and just as much a "costume" as any clothes that someone might wear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the boy Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 [quote name='Dingus' timestamp='1388174914' post='2319213'] If you want to be successful do you have to dress up? Yes, in most walks of life you do, in one way or another, but particulaly in show business. That is no great revelation. Do I believe that the reason that Francis Dunnery ( or Alan Holdsworth, for that matter) isn't more commercially successful is because he refuses to dress up? No , that is complete bollocks. Short of a miracle, regardless of whatever he does now, relatively few people will ever be interested in him or his music. [/quote] Hello sir.... Who's your new Avatar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 [quote name='Grangur' timestamp='1388179202' post='2319282'] In one way he's right. If you're selling any product the punters need to have confidence that they know what they're getting. If One Direction went on stage displaying tattoos, greasy hair and somehow managed to put on a heavy metal act, they could be finished. Their "success" could be over. If The Rolling Stones went on in "Boy Band" gear, they'd capture the front page of every paper in the country. David Jones proves Mr Dunnery wrong though, or maybe he proves him right too in a perverse way. In the 70s he invented a character and played that character on every album. Yet he re-invented that character on every album. On the other hand maybe his "thing" was that "David Bowie" changed all the time? [/quote] The technique is known as '[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirroring_(psychology)"]mirroring[/url]'. It's one mechanism that can be used to influence people - in the sense that if your audience believes you share their values/ideals/tastes and trusts you then they'll be more likely to accept your credibility. Typically this operates at an intimate, interpersonal level but its also applied as a sales technique and politicians, of course, are roundly chastised when they DON'T do it...although in that case it's called being "off-message". One clear example I can think of in real life is those f***ing bright trousers that were all the rage last Summer. I thought they looked dreadful but clearly the people wearing them thought the trousers said something important. Apparently they had roots in middle class perceptions of rural aristocratic life along with the anoraks and checked shirts. So of course it made sense (in my own mind at least) that thousands of middle class, status conscious, London hooray henries and henriettas would want to associate themselves with something class-related and aspirational. There again...maybe others wore them just because they thought they were fashionable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 If you WANT to be successful then why wouldn't you do everything in your power to make it more likely to happen. That includes having an image (even if that image has been carefully cultivated to look as though you don't have an image!) Unless you are strictly a studio musician and don't appearing any of the publicity photos or videos then you need to consider how you look. Do you think that current favourite muso band Dirty Loops would have a fraction of the publicity if they had just stuck their recordings out on Soundcloud rather than making videos of themselves playing? Of course not, and it certainly helped that they have a pretty boy bass player. As others have said we dress up all the time even if it's just picking the right comfortable cloths for slobbing out in front of the telly, so why should playing music be any different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingus Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 [quote name='the boy' timestamp='1388320160' post='2320669'] Hello sir.... Who's your new Avatar? [/quote] Hello there, bad boy, it's none other than the beautiful , talented and oh-so aptly-named Abbi Titmuss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 'Everyone in this room is wearing a uniform, don't kid yourself.' - Frank Zappa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 [quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1388332472' post='2320829'] 'Everyone in this room is wearing a uniform, don't kid yourself.' - Frank Zappa [/quote] I miss Frank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witterth Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 [quote name='davehux' timestamp='1388317114' post='2320626'] Never the forget the wise words... "You can't polish a turd, but you can cover it in glitter" [/quote] ...............its still a turd though, no matter how much glitter ( as said of Gary) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the boy Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 [quote name='Dingus' timestamp='1388324584' post='2320730'] Hello there, bad boy, it's none other than the beautiful , talented and oh-so aptly-named Abbi Titmuss. [/quote] She is pure filth. The video was hilarious she made with Leslie. He's a wrongun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 You guys DO know who Francis Dunnery was, don't you? He's certainly not famous for dressing down. Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 [quote name='discreet' timestamp='1388333390' post='2320850'] I miss Frank. [/quote] So do I. It was the 30th anniversary of his death on the 3rd of this month, I never saw a mention anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RhysP Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 [quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1388405472' post='2321550'] So do I. It was the 30th anniversary of his death on the 3rd of this month, I never saw a mention anywhere. [/quote] 30th anniversary? He died on December 4th 1993 - I remember it vividly because I got in from work & my flatmate had written "Zappa is dead" in green permanent marker across the front of my fridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 (edited) [quote name='RhysP' timestamp='1388408514' post='2321612'] 30th anniversary? He died on December 4th 1993 - I remember it vividly because I got in from work & my flatmate had written "Zappa is dead" in green permanent marker across the front of my fridge. [/quote] Sorry, 20th! and it was the 4th. WTF is wrong with my maths and memory?!! Edited December 30, 2013 by xilddx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oggiesnr Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 All musicians dress up, it's part of the image and expectation that they project, Mr Dunning in his T-shirt is projecting a certain image today which is different to his prog rock persona. For me the issue is do you get to chose how you dress or is it decided for you? Depends on what you want and what contract you signed Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mykesbass Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 [quote name='TimR' timestamp='1388343154' post='2321021'] You guys DO know who Francis Dunnery was, don't you? He's certainly not famous for dressing down. Lol. [/quote] OK, I'll bite (see what I did there) - apart from a penchant for a Celtic football jersey what dressing up/down is he famous for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve-bbb Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 (edited) [quote name='bassman7755' timestamp='1388319623' post='2320662'] ....and obviously an attempt to attain some retro-chic and just as much a "costume" as any clothes that someone might wear. [/quote] seriously? i would have thought that somebody who doesnt really care (edit: 'these days' ) that they look like they have just got out of bed after three days asleep and thrown on an old black tshirt , and his credentials as a musician/guitarist, the last thing he would be doing would be playing a ric as a fashion item just my opinionion of course Edited December 30, 2013 by steve-bbb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skej21 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 [quote name='chriswareham' timestamp='1388257275' post='2320125'] The guitarist forgot her knickers? And her skirt? [/quote] Forgot her knickers AND her left-handed guitar. She's clearly talented if she can play a right handed guitar, left handed whilst wearing no knickers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddyGlee Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 [quote name='bassman7755' timestamp='1388319623' post='2320662'] Using a rickenbacker guitar is very unusual (thank god) and obviously an attempt to attain some retro-chic and just as much a "costume" as any clothes that someone might wear. [/quote] Obviously? The reason he's using the Ric is.. Frank promised his mother before she died that he'd make an album with his older brother Baz. it's what she wanted. this never transpired before Baz died. so, the whole Frankenstein concept was to bring his brother back to life! and I suspect kinda honour his promise. The Ric was Baz's guitar and Frank is using it obviously for this project again to honour his brothers memory and I guess channel his brothers spirit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingus Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 [quote name='the boy' timestamp='1388336554' post='2320904'] She is pure filth. The video was hilarious she made with Leslie. He's a wrongun. [/quote] " Wrong 'un " indeed ! But let's not go there ... Let's just say she is a young lady who knows how to get what she wants , and when she decides she wants a middle -aged toy boy who falls asleep on the sofa in front of Match Of The Day then I hope she has the necessary confidence to give me a call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 [quote name='steve-bbb' timestamp='1388414689' post='2321708'] seriously? i would have thought that somebody who doesnt really care (edit: 'these days' ) that they look like they have just got out of bed after three days asleep and thrown on an old black tshirt , and his credentials as a musician/guitarist, the last thing he would be doing would be playing a ric as a fashion item just my opinionion of course [/quote] He usually plays Cort, Tanglewood and Squier. His Tanglewood acoustic sounds really nice actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 (edited) [quote name='EddyGlee' timestamp='1388419336' post='2321765'] Obviously? The reason he's using the Ric is.. Frank promised his mother before she died that he'd make an album with his older brother Baz. it's what she wanted. this never transpired before Baz died. so, the whole Frankenstein concept was to bring his brother back to life! and I suspect kinda honour his promise. The Ric was Baz's guitar and Frank is using it obviously for this project again to honour his brothers memory and I guess channel his brothers spirit. [/quote] Ah, there you go, I didn't know the Rick was Baz's, thanks Edited December 30, 2013 by xilddx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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