pendingrequests Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Board laid out below: Tuner EQ Chorus Mooer Echo Clone of Ezekiel 25:17 When the Mooer echo is on the board, there is almost a whurlitzer sound (due to the echo sound itself probably) even when it isn't turned on. Would a buffer solve this, as well as any other tone problems? I've been looking at this: http://www.reallyawesomepedalboards.co.uk/shop/custom-pedalboard-interface/ as a possible solution. I am using a Boss power adapter so would that have any influence on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahpook Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 sounds like the mooer doesn't like the supply it's being fed. it's quite a current-hungry pedal at 128mA - which boss psu are you using ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pendingrequests Posted January 30, 2014 Author Share Posted January 30, 2014 [quote name='ahpook' timestamp='1391100655' post='2353284'] sounds like the mooer doesn't like the supply it's being fed. it's quite a current-hungry pedal at 128mA - which boss psu are you using ? [/quote] Using the Boss PSA-230es. Was thinking about The GigRig Generator, but never got round to buying it. Would that on it's on help solve the problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahpook Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 (edited) the boss should be fine. the mooer claims to be true bypass, so i can only assume it's somehow injecting noise into the power supply. try connecting the mooer to the daisy chain, but not wiring into the signal chain - is it still wurly ? Edited January 30, 2014 by ahpook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0175westwood29 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 also you could try supplying the mooer of the tuner its an isolated supply i think so might help. andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahpook Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 (edited) [quote name='0175westwood29' timestamp='1391107756' post='2353407'] also you could try supplying the mooer of the tuner its an isolated supply i think so might help. andy [/quote] sadly, i suspect this will be the eventual solution Edited January 30, 2014 by ahpook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pendingrequests Posted January 30, 2014 Author Share Posted January 30, 2014 [quote name='ahpook' timestamp='1391101395' post='2353295'] try connecting the mooer to the daisy chain, but not wiring into the signal chain - is it still wurly ? [/quote] Yeh its still sending a Wurly sound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pendingrequests Posted January 30, 2014 Author Share Posted January 30, 2014 [quote name='0175westwood29' timestamp='1391107756' post='2353407'] also you could try supplying the mooer of the tuner its an isolated supply i think so might help. andy [/quote] Yeh putting the mooer just after the tuner has helped Andy thanks But to improve the the signal to noise ratio, would a buffer be worth it? And the gig rig? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0175westwood29 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 [quote name='pendingrequests' timestamp='1391110562' post='2353466'] Yeh putting the mooer just after the tuner has helped Andy thanks But to improve the the signal to noise ratio, would a buffer be worth it? And the gig rig? [/quote] the boss tuner has a buffer in it so i would think that wont be necessary, in fact seeing as you have three boss pedals i wouldnt be worried about a buffer. are you supplying the mooer from the supply out of the tu-2? or on the same daisy chain as the rest? andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahpook Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 [quote name='pendingrequests' timestamp='1391110562' post='2353466'] Yeh putting the mooer just after the tuner has helped Andy thanks [/quote] interesting - i'd not have thought it would have made a difference. nice to be surprised - it shows you've still things to learn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanAxe Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I reckon you have clock noise from the Mooer breaking through to the 9V line. You could try wrapping the Mooer's 9v supply cable around a ferrite ring - you can get clip-on ones from Maplin. Either that or different socks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahpook Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 (edited) [quote name='JapanAxe' timestamp='1391123019' post='2353667'] I reckon you have clock noise from the Mooer breaking through to the 9V line. You could try wrapping the Mooer's 9v supply cable around a ferrite ring - you can get clip-on ones from Maplin. Either that or different socks [/quote] exactly what i was thinking....although the sock change might work ! Edited January 30, 2014 by ahpook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pendingrequests Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 [quote name='0175westwood29' timestamp='1391117323' post='2353580'] the boss tuner has a buffer in it so i would think that wont be necessary, in fact seeing as you have three boss pedals i wouldnt be worried about a buffer. are you supplying the mooer from the supply out of the tu-2? or on the same daisy chain as the rest? [/quote] I tried it there again Andy and I was having the same issue. In fact, after unplugging and re-plugging the pedals back in the same order in the picture, the wurly sound stopped! still a concern though. [quote name='ahpook' timestamp='1391121629' post='2353649'] interesting - i'd not have thought it would have made a difference. nice to be surprised - it shows you've still things to learn [/quote] I spoke too soon man, it didn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pendingrequests Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 [quote name='JapanAxe' timestamp='1391123019' post='2353667'] I reckon you have clock noise from the Mooer breaking through to the 9V line. You could try wrapping the Mooer's 9v supply cable around a ferrite ring - you can get clip-on ones from Maplin. Either that or different socks [/quote] Okay I'll get one and see if that helps, thanks Haha, that didn't work either! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahpook Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Oh dear... seperate power supplies it is then ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibob Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 The [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]PSA-230es is rated at 200ma, if the Mooer is 128ma (I haven't checked), with your other pedals, you're probably approaching 150ma in total?![/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]This, in my experience, is where noise and weirdness starts to get introduced as you run out of power to draw from. [/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Think of MA headroom as wattage........you wouldn't run your 200watt amp at 200watts, it's going to start crapping out[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]My rule of thumb is to have half of my supplies rating spare, considering I use a 5amp Gig-rig on one board and a 1amp T-rex on another, I genuinely keep things quiet [/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Si [/font][/color] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0175westwood29 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 [quote name='Sibob' timestamp='1391165930' post='2353936'] The [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]PSA-230es is rated at 200ma, if the Mooer is 128ma (I haven't checked), with your other pedals, you're probably approaching 150ma in total?![/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]This, in my experience, is where noise and weirdness starts to get introduced as you run out of power to draw from. [/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Think of MA headroom as wattage........you wouldn't run your 200watt amp at 200watts, it's going to start crapping out[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]My rule of thumb is to have half of my supplies rating spare, considering I use a 5amp Gig-rig on one board and a 1amp T-rex on another, I genuinely keep things quiet [/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Si [/font][/color] [/quote] totally forgot about this! this will defiantly not be helping, ill also suggest the diago power supplies really quiet and very good value! andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pendingrequests Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 [quote name='Sibob' timestamp='1391165930' post='2353936'] The [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]PSA-230es is rated at 200ma, if the Mooer is 128ma (I haven't checked), with your other pedals, you're probably approaching 150ma in total?![/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]This, in my experience, is where noise and weirdness starts to get introduced as you run out of power to draw from. [/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Think of MA headroom as wattage........you wouldn't run your 200watt amp at 200watts, it's going to start crapping out[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]My rule of thumb is to have half of my supplies rating spare, considering I use a 5amp Gig-rig on one board and a 1amp T-rex on another, I genuinely keep things quiet [/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Si [/font][/color] [/quote] Yeh Si, just checked and the Mooer draws that amount of power. Hmmm may need to go for the GigRig then. But before I splash out on that, will try with a separate power supply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibob Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Bear in mind that if the Mooer is true bypass, so even with noise from a power supply, I wouldn't expect that noise to be 'effected', as such, there might be a fault with the Mooer. Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahpook Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 (edited) [quote name='pendingrequests' timestamp='1391171934' post='2354047'] just checked and the Mooer draws that amount of power... [/quote] i do my research. Edited January 31, 2014 by ahpook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannybuoy Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 (edited) I've had this problem with digital pedals before, they usually feed noise to other pedals via the daisy chain. I've tested plugging a digital pedal into the daisy chain and found it to introduce noise even when it's not plugged into the signal path. A separate power supply will sort it, as will a fancy supply with multiple isolated outputs, or alternatively a Diago isolation adapter / Gigrig Virtual Battery should do the trick too (but check the max mA rating on those first). Edited January 31, 2014 by dannybuoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truckstop Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Would like to add that the Gigrig Generators are well worth the money. Tiny and powerful! Truckstop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime_BASS Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Digital pedals are a big noise generator, I get white noise from my polytune mini sometimes. You need a power supply with more available mA, as others said being able to power so Many pedals seems overkill but more headroom the better. I would give your bass a serious once over in terms of grounding and shielding. Any noise coming from the source will only get amplified through the pedals. If you feel the Moore is fualty, try it on its own. Nothing before or after and nothing in its power supply chain either. Process of elimination really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damonjames Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Tonal issues, with effects pedals?? You don't say??? :-) Congratulations on openin Pandora's box my friend, I feel your pain as I am in the process of trying to sort out my board. I am sure the oracle will be along shortly, but I will offer my two cents. Firstly, the boss pedals are all buffered, and the buffer circuit is notoriously bad, let alone 3 of them in a row. It's pretty much guaranteed to suck the life out of your tone. Try putting an effects loop box on your board, and run two of the boss pedals through the loop, so they are not in the circuit when not in use. Then use maybe the eq pedal in the middle, and I think the mooer pedals are true bypass? And possible the last pedal on your board, so you should be ok with them left in. Next make sure you have a power supply big enough to do the job, and preferably one with isolated outputs, this should give you a one stop solution without any noise from one pedal affecting another. Make sure your patch cables are as short and low Capacitance as possible (this may be disputed by others). Remember it all adds up. The buffer in the eq should be ok to do the job, which is to put a electronic buffer in the circuit, otherwise your pickups have to drive through all the cable, putting a buffer in the middle means the buffer will do half the work. Feel free to shoot me down here guys, but this is where my research has led me, I am just trying to get it all sorted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.