TimR Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 I am sorry but when you make statements like those below, it leads me down a certain avenue of thinking. [quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1392310779' post='2367182'] ... RCDs are the thing to help prevent electrical shock, not fuses. And even RCDs can't offer total protection. [/quote] [quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1392421764' post='2368729'] ... 5. Both you and TimR think sh1t happens ... [/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skankdelvar Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Note to self: replace fusebolts with fusenails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfisher Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Ha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfisher Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 [quote name='TimR' timestamp='1392479702' post='2369239'] I am sorry but when you make statements like those below, it leads me down a certain avenue of thinking. [/quote] What, like these you mean? [quote name='Big_Stu' timestamp='1392395226' post='2368214'] Sh*t happens sometimes that can't be explained, get over it. [/quote] [quote name='TimR' timestamp='1392418542' post='2368687'] Sometimes as big Stu says 'sh*t happens'. [/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfisher Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 [quote name='TimR' timestamp='1392479702' post='2369239'] I am sorry but when you make statements like those below, it leads me down a certain avenue of thinking. [/quote] [i]"RCDs are the thing to help prevent electrical shock, not fuses. And even RCDs can't offer total protection.[/i]" Please feel free to explain what is wrong with that statement, instead of making vague personal insinuations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 [quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1392481110' post='2369261'] What, like these you mean? [/quote] Yes. Exactly like that. You acknowledge that there are circumstances where you can't cover everything. Then when Stu and I suggest that there are circumstances beyond our control, we are somehow wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Stu Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 (edited) [quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1392481110' post='2369261'] What, like these you mean? [/quote] Are you still here? as Tim says, trying to make some kind of obscure point - though clarifying one more obvious one. You don't read too well do you? or - for a [i]company director[/i] - are unable to connect the points throughout a thread. The incident I witnessed "can't be explained" for several reasons:- We don't know what other loads - or as you personally pointed out - how many other appliances or fires in the same house the guy had done the same stunt to - or were switched on it other rooms at the time. Or whether he'd doctored his fusebox in some way to prevent it tripping, We don't know what metal the bolt he used was made of. We don't know how long it had been switched on before I arrived to witness it. PS. You've already clarified that you're not clairvoyant, before bringing "ghosts" into your discussion. So in the absence of answers to even those 4 points above - just exactly how would you intend answering those variables in order to reach the explanation you so desperately seek? Edited February 15, 2014 by Big_Stu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfisher Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 You know what, I'm out of this. I'm going to leave you both to your "sh1t happens" world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve-bbb Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 (edited) going to slightly hijack this thread from the philosophical debates of the whys and wherefores of PAT testing to the practicalities ive scanned through this thread and the other thread on here from a couple of years back - our band have decided to get this done - i would like some advice please on exactly what types of equipment need to be tested and what doesnt - have searched online and cant find any guidelines regards specific types of equipment my personal guess is that items such as heads and combos and power supply transformers, multibocs and kettle leads all need testing what about low load stuff? would i be correct in guessing that instrument/patch cables dont need testing but maybe speaker cables do because of the load they carry? your input as always is appreciated - hopefully stingraypete and others will be along soon to shed some light ta muchly Edited March 1, 2014 by steve-bbb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telebass Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 The only things that need testing are the things that plug into the mains supply. So, amps, wall warts (thorough visual check), any detachable cables, extension leads. Your instrument and speaker cables do not need testing. However, you should certainly look after your speaker cables as a duff one just might cause the destruction of your amplifier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve-bbb Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 [quote name='Telebass' timestamp='1393666269' post='2383050'] The only things that need testing are the things that plug into the mains supply. So, amps, wall warts (thorough visual check), any detachable cables, extension leads. Your instrument and speaker cables do not need testing. However, you should certainly look after your speaker cables as a duff one just might cause the destruction of your amplifier. [/quote] thanks - just that i think we might be using someone who is a general PAT tester rather than music equipment specific so didnt want them to be blagging that certain items need testing and adding loads of extra unnecessary items to up the invoice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icastle Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 PAT testers are only capable of testing things that can be plugged into it - so generally that's limited to an IEC socket ('kettle lead') and standard mains plug. Speakon and 1/4" jack connectors aren't suitable for carrying mains voltage and therefore aren't catered for on a PAT tester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telebass Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 True, but some things are 'visual inspection', and you don't want someone telling you that things need checking when they don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 [quote name='steve-bbb' timestamp='1393666533' post='2383051'] thanks - just that i think we might be using someone who is a general PAT tester rather than music equipment specific so didnt want them to be blagging that certain items need testing and adding loads of extra unnecessary items to up the invoice [/quote] They'll just treat your amps as television, computer or AV kit. It would be like trying to test a SCART or USB lead. A 'full' test on 'kettle' leads and 'part' test on earth continuity on amps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve-bbb Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 ta muchly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve-bbb Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 well we have finally been certified... or is it certificated? im old and easily confused all very painless and simple - we just turned up at rehearsal rooms - nice local elastictrickery people came with their pat machines and plugged it all in and stickered it all up (minus a couple of naughty gaffer taped items by our guitarer) so now we have PAT and PLI for any jobsworth events bookers who care to ask to inspect it roll on the big megabucks corporate gigs please but not holding my breath waiting though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 [quote name='steve-bbb' timestamp='1394441062' post='2391241'] ... (minus a couple of naughty gaffer taped items by our guitarer) ... jobsworth events bookers ... [/quote] <shakes head in disbelief>... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve-bbb Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 [quote name='TimR' timestamp='1394443145' post='2391264'] <shakes head in disbelief>... [/quote] jeezus does nobody do friggin irony and sarcasm on this site anymore lighten up people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Ah. Ok. Given the length of the thread and the mentality shown in it so far, it did seem a strange comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve-bbb Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Or did I misinterpret your irony TimR. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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