Happy Jack Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 He managed to spot that this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8EotTtv2GU was lurking somewhere inside this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVJMMT9nXRI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 LOL oh yes I remember seeing that some time ago - silk purse indeed. I've worked with people who have worked for him - they said he's very astute and seems to find ways to get what he's looking for out of the artists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_5 Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Very clever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 I don't see what the big deal is. The major elements of the song are all there in the The Tube version. Like any good producer he got rid of all the superfluous "muso" elements like that clumsy rhythm change in the middle and honed down the bass line to the important thump. Besides IIRC signing Frankie Goes To Holywood was mostly Paul Morley's idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 I would agree that that is almost the whole song on a plate with just a bit of 'producing'. The song is the same, the style is the same and more importantly the whole image was there. It was just made fuller and more nightclub friendly. there are some tracks I have heard where you really can't tell how they got from the demo to the full version! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevB Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 I guess the point is that whatever amount of tweaking it required he saw it, did it and reaped the rewards and none of the rest of us did. FGTH never really my thing nor was the Stock, Aitken & Waterman stuff but they saw the possibilities and went for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Proving that good production is mostly subtraction, not addition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skankdelvar Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 [quote name='discreet' timestamp='1396011376' post='2408981'] Proving that good production is mostly subtraction, not addition. [/quote] Amen to tha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenitram Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 [quote name='skankdelvar' timestamp='1396017549' post='2409088'] Amen to tha [/quote] Amen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveK Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 [quote name='discreet' timestamp='1396011376' post='2408981'] Proving that good production is mostly subtraction, not addition. [/quote] You're being ironic... right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingus Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 I remember myself as an impressionable young man seeing that Frankie appearance on The Tube the night it was on, and thinking that there was definitely something to be feared in men wearing those kind of outfits, but something very alluring in women wearing that kind of leather gear. Call me a hypocrite if you like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveK Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 FWIW I think Relax was a godawful song (as proved to me by Happy Jack's link), but was a fabulous record, mainly thanks to Trevor Horn's utterly brilliant arrangement and production. BTW I'm not generally a fan of this type of record, or any music that is reliant on samples, but Trevor Horn pulled it off, big time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 But Relax isn't really reliant upon samples in the way that we now associate them. IIRC the individual drum hits come from various Led Zeppelin recordings and the individual bass notes might be fom NWR. But that's it. Certainly no performance samples in the way a modern track might be made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenitram Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/lectures/trevor-horn--buggles-in-the-bassbin-2?template=RBMA_Lecture%2Ftranscript Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redstriper Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Was this part of the inspiration? [media]http://youtu.be/v2yCgO1vRT8[/media] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveK Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 (edited) [quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1396031197' post='2409296'] But Relax isn't really reliant upon samples in the way that we now associate them. [/quote] Absolutely, but we are talking early 80s. I believe TH made use of the Synclavier or Fairlight on Relax. Actually, it's not really samplers that I have a problem with, it's more the reliance on machines . Edited March 28, 2014 by SteveK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenitram Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 But you surely couldn't say that Trevor Horn or any other innovator [i]relied[/i] on machines... but rather they unleashed them, tapped their potential, no? Got creative and produced amazing music that no one had thought of before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visog Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 [quote name='Happy Jack' timestamp='1395998225' post='2408725'] He managed to spot that this [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8EotTtv2GU"]https://www.youtube....h?v=r8EotTtv2GU[/url] was lurking somewhere inside this [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVJMMT9nXRI"]https://www.youtube....h?v=OVJMMT9nXRI[/url] [/quote] No I think he knew he could make the latter into the former. If music lore is true, he was mixing Yes' 'Big Generator' album at the time.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jezzaboy Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 (edited) And I managed to spot, that was Guy Pratt with Icehouse at the start of the second clip. Just sayin... Edited March 28, 2014 by jezzaboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveK Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 [quote name='Zenitram' timestamp='1396037186' post='2409388'] But you surely couldn't say that Trevor Horn or any other innovator [i]relied[/i] on machines... but rather they unleashed them, tapped their potential, no? Got creative and produced amazing music that no one had thought of before. [/quote] Yep! He got the balance about right. [quote name='jezzaboy' timestamp='1396044408' post='2409503'] And I managed to spot, that was Guy Pratt with Icehouse at the start of the second clip. [/quote] And my very good friend Andy on keys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisnameistaken Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 [quote name='Zenitram' timestamp='1396032795' post='2409323'] [url="http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/lectures/trevor-horn--buggles-in-the-bassbin-2?template=RBMA_Lecture%2Ftranscript"]http://www.redbullmu...re%2Ftranscript[/url][/quote] The bass line was Norman Watt-Roy's idea?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete.young Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 [quote name='SteveK' timestamp='1396036335' post='2409374'] Actually, it's not really samplers that I have a problem with, it's more the reliance on machines . [/quote] Where do you draw the line? A bass guitar is a simple machine for tensioning strings and converting vibrations into electric currents. All instruments are machines which need operators, and you are hearing the mind of the operator through the machine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveK Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 [quote name='pete.young' timestamp='1396182658' post='2410670'] [b]Where do you draw the line?[/b] A bass guitar is a simple machine for tensioning strings and converting vibrations into electric currents. All instruments are machines which need operators, and you are hearing the mind of the operator through the machine. [/quote] I wouldn't! If I attempted to 'draw a line', and explain the whys and wherefores of where that line is, something would come along and surprise me, necessitating the drawing of a new line. The drawing of lines is best left to architects, not musicians! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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