bobunit Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Recently, there was a listing on Craigslist London for a Zon bass that I fell for and got scammed. Guess what was posted an hour ago...[/font][/color] [IMG]http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo82/bobunit9/Basses/Zon/ScreenShot2014-07-22at75746AM_zps387901dc.png[/IMG] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hubrad Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Can any authorities be alerted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowieBass Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Not sure if this helps or not but the video indicates you should email details to [email protected] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oWw34-2rrU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobunit Posted July 22, 2014 Author Share Posted July 22, 2014 [quote name='hubrad' timestamp='1406037992' post='2507740'] Can any authorities be alerted? [/quote]Honestly, I wouldn't know where to go. The only contact for the London police's internet crime division is online. From the letter I received from them, the most they will do is have the listing removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambient Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 I saw this a few weeks ago, I remember thinking it was a great price. Really, truly sorry to hear you got scammed. Personally I wouldn't buy a bass that I couldn't collect, I won't even sell on Gumtree unless the buyer collects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobunit Posted July 22, 2014 Author Share Posted July 22, 2014 [quote name='ambient' timestamp='1406039355' post='2507763'] Personally I wouldn't buy a bass that I couldn't collect, I won't even sell on Gumtree unless the buyer collects. [/quote]The seller said it was available for collection, but I doubt that was true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzneck Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) Bob, I've just read your TB thread and I really feel sorry for you. A suggestion: follow the money. Your bank should be able to trace the payment through to the UK bank and hence through to the account or holder where the money was paid. The UK banking rules are really tight these days (anti money laundering) and for this amount, personal ID including name, address, photo ID etc. is needed. The bank should be able to identify the villain(s). Craiglist should have sellers log details,too - even if it is only an IP address. The only problem I can see is if the Penzance address is correct it will come under Devon and Cornwall Police [url="http://www.devon-cornwall.police.uk/ContactUs/EnquiryOffice/Pages/PenzanceEnquiryOffice.aspx"]http://www.devon-cor...uiryOffice.aspx[/url] The Craiglist London ad.will be in The Metropolitan Police area [url="http://content.met.police.uk/Home"]http://content.met.police.uk/Home[/url] Push your bank with it, give them all the detail you've got, they just may be able to help with tracing the money and, hopefully the git who scammed you, through the UK police services. Best of luck....... Edited July 22, 2014 by Jazzneck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobunit Posted July 22, 2014 Author Share Posted July 22, 2014 [quote name='Jazzneck' timestamp='1406044675' post='2507821'] The UK banking rules are really tight these days (anti money laundering) and for this amount, personal ID including name, address, photo ID etc. is needed. The bank should be able to identify the villain(s). [/quote]Is photo ID required to open an account, withdraw funds or both? The scammer banks online. Couldn't he just transfer funds to another account? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzneck Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) [quote name='bobunit' timestamp='1406046532' post='2507845'] Is photo ID required to open an account, withdraw funds or both? The scammer banks online. Couldn't he just transfer funds to another account? [/quote] The ID is required to open an account whether you bank online or at a branch in person. In the UK you cannot have an anonymous account - the bank will be able to trace him/her even assuming he/she instantly transferred the funds to another account. They will be able to trace that, too. I'm sorry, I don't have all the answers but your bank and the police services have - pressure them to trace the scum - tell them it's not rocket science. They have the data, records, timeline and the means to rapidly trace the money path. Edited July 22, 2014 by Jazzneck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fretmeister Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 For what it's worth - I believe that there are only two 4 string Hyperbasses in the UK 1 belonged to me until yesterday (A Mk1 solid bridge model that is now on the way to Fred in Belgium) and the other (Mk2 with the transposing bridge) belongs to GremlinAndy on here. So if anyone sees any other ones on sale in the UK, do your homework very carefully, and pay cash on collection only. Even if you have to travel for a day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambient Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 You definitely need at least 1 form of photo id to open a bank account. My dad recently changed his and had to take his passport as well as a utility bill to prove his address. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodaxe Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 [quote name='Jazzneck' timestamp='1406044675' post='2507821'] The only problem I can see is if the Penzance address is correct it will come under Devon and Cornwall Police The Craiglist London ad.will be in The Metropolitan Police area [/quote] Always assuming that the alleged seller actually lives in either of those places. A couple of years back there was a WAL scam in a rather similar vein: [url="http://basschat.co.uk/topic/133688-1983-wal-1240-gbp/page__p__1214589__hl__wal%20shetland__fromsearch__1#entry1214589"]http://basschat.co.u..._1#entry1214589[/url] [url="http://basschat.co.uk/topic/192195-1981-wal-mk-1-on-gumtree/page__p__1876742__hl__wal%20shetland__fromsearch__1#entry1876742"]http://basschat.co.u..._1#entry1876742[/url] [url="http://basschat.co.uk/topic/196788-yet-another-wal-mk1-4-string/page__p__1945792__hl__wal%20shetland__fromsearch__1#entry1945792"]http://basschat.co.u..._1#entry1945792[/url] Based anywhere from Lerwick to Bournemouth via London... wonder if it's the same scammer? [quote name='Jazzneck' timestamp='1406044675' post='2507821']Push your bank with it, give them all the detail you've got, they just may be able to help with tracing the money and, hopefully the git who scammed you, through the UK police services. Best of luck.......[/quote] ^^ This ^^ Follow the money. P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzneck Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 [quote name='ambient' timestamp='1406048593' post='2507863'] You definitely need at least 1 form of photo id to open a bank account. My dad recently changed his and had to take his passport as well as a utility bill to prove his address. [/quote] Yup - I've been banking with the same bank since September 1965 both in person and online. Two months ago I opened a small savings account with them in the same branch and I still had to provide photo ID and a utility bill to prove my address. I've known the 40 year old branch manager since the day he was born and he went to school with my son. I still had to comply with the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobunit Posted July 22, 2014 Author Share Posted July 22, 2014 [quote name='Jazzneck' timestamp='1406047834' post='2507854'] The ID is required to open an account whether you bank online or at a branch in person. In the UK you cannot have an anonymous account - the bank will be able to trace him/her even assuming he/she instantly transferred the funds to another account. They will be able to trace that, too. I'm sorry, I don't have all the answers but your bank and the police services have - pressure them to trace the scum - tell them it's not rocket science. They have the data, records, timeline and the means to rapidly trace the money path. [/quote]I appreciate your suggestions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobunit Posted November 10, 2014 Author Share Posted November 10, 2014 Quick update to an old post. The police are working on it, but for the moment the only thing they have to go on is the suspect's fraudulent listings. The banking and contact information was falsified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lefrash Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 This is a truely horrible story. I got stung by a guy on here. ALOT less (£180) but still a kick in the balls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icastle Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 [quote name='lefrash' timestamp='1415655563' post='2602500'] This is a truely horrible story. I got stung by a guy on here. ALOT less (£180) but still a kick in the balls. [/quote] I remember that one well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taunton-hobbit Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Good to hear the police are actually taking an interest - the last time I had a problem (which involved criminal fraud and a lot of money) all I got was 'shrug'. The bank will only deal with the police, then perhaps only with a warrant. I hope you get a result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gelfin Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 (edited) [quote name='ambient' timestamp='1406048593' post='2507863'] You definitely need at least 1 form of photo id to open a bank account. My dad recently changed his and had to take his passport as well as a utility bill to prove his address. [/quote] This isn't true for all banks. I have banked with Loyds for many years, this year I wanted some separate accounts away from them. I now have a Santander and first direct account. All done online and no photo needed. Both up and running within 24 hours. Edited November 12, 2014 by gelfin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobunit Posted November 14, 2014 Author Share Posted November 14, 2014 [quote name='gelfin' timestamp='1415825459' post='2604272'] This isn't true for all banks. I have banked with Loyds for many years, this year I wanted some separate accounts away from them. I now have a Santander and first direct account. All done online and no photo needed. Both up and running within 24 hours. [/quote]Do you know if Loyds requires a photo ID? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodaxe Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 [quote name='bobunit' timestamp='1415980708' post='2605834']Do you know if Loyds requires a photo ID?[/quote] Not according to this: [url="http://www.lloydsbank.com/legal/proof-of-identity.asp"]http://www.lloydsban...of-identity.asp[/url] [quote][b]If you cannot provide one of the above, you will need to produce one document as proof of your identity and an additional document as proof of your address as follows[/b]: [b]Proof of identity[/b]:[list] [*]Benefits or State pension notification letter [*]Current UK non photo driving licence [*]Blue disabled drivers pass [*]All other current signed passports with valid UK Visa not listed above [*]UK Birth Certificate (under 18s only) [*]National Insurance Card (under 18s only) [*]Medical Card/Certificate (under 18s only) [/list] [b]Proof of address[/b]:[list] [*]Bank, Building Society or Credit Union statement (we do not accept statements printed off the internet) [*]Current UK non photo driving licence (only if it is not been used as your proof of identification) [*]Utility Bill/Utility Statement or Certificate/Letter from a supplier of utilities dated within the last 3 months [*]Local authority tax bill/council tax bill for current year [*]Benefits or pensions notification letter confirming the right to benefit (only if it has not been used as your proof of identification) [/list] [/quote] Surprised at the age restrictions on the last three P.O.I. requirements. P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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