timmo Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 (edited) In the key of F, is the 7th a D sharp, or E flat? I assume it is a D Sharp, but it doesn`t obviously fit into the Major scale Edited September 6, 2014 by timmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 [quote name='timmo' timestamp='1410028785' post='2545569'] In the key of F, is the 7th a D sharp, or E flat? I assume it is a D Sharp, but it doesn`t obviously fit into the Major scale [/quote] The Dominant 7th doesn't fit into the Major scale, it's the 7th, flattened (7th = 'E', so Dominant 7th = Eb...). As there is already a flat in the 'F' Major scale (Bb...), we stay with flats (they're never mixed...), so I'd go for Eb as the Dominant 7th of F, not D#. Subject to completion, correction and/or contradiction from others; hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmo Posted September 6, 2014 Author Share Posted September 6, 2014 Ahh, of course it is the only major natural key that is flattened. I should have realised that, but as i was just doing that arpeggio on its own and just wasn`t thinking properly.Thanks for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doddy Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 (edited) It's definitely an Eb because E is the 7th note of F. D is always the 6th of F. Edited September 7, 2014 by Doddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmo Posted September 7, 2014 Author Share Posted September 7, 2014 Thanks for the confirmation. I was surprised the question was answered so quickly. Not many people seem to flirt with this part of the forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 The luck of the draw. Now, if your question had been about round-wounds v flats, of course... [size=4] [/size][size=4] [/size] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirky Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 But which is best for metal, D# or Eb? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_5 Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 We play in drop tuning and are in Eb throughout. My tuner says D#, but it lies... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmo Posted September 7, 2014 Author Share Posted September 7, 2014 Is it better being played on a Musicman Stingray, or Fender Jazz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doddy Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 (edited) [quote name='timmo' timestamp='1410071187' post='2545756'] Thanks for the confirmation. I was surprised the question was answered so quickly. Not many people seem to flirt with this part of the forum [/quote] It's a shame that they don't because some of the most useful information can be found in this section....although there are no shiny pictures. Edited September 7, 2014 by Doddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 (edited) [quote name='Doddy' timestamp='1410094986' post='2546008'] It's a shame that they don't because some of the most useful information can be found in this section....[s]although there are no[/s] [i]and [/i]there are shiny pictures. [/quote] Fixed [attachment=171119:Stro_Bass.JPG] Edited September 7, 2014 by Dad3353 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 It is the ONLY thread I read and I am a moderator! That is, of course, a complete lie. I also read the double bass sections and the recording sections. My order of business every day is General, Off Topic, Theory and Technique, Recording. Everything else is only when I see something that piques my interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 That's our Bilbo, ever the eclectic. [size=4] [/size] [size=4] [/size] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 I can't be arsed with all the buying and selling, Dad. And as for strings, pick ups ......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Actually. you are right. My last post was the most boring in the history of Basschat, wasn't it? [size=4] [/size] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntLockyer Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 [quote name='timmo' timestamp='1410028785' post='2545569'] In the key of F, is the 7th a D sharp, or E flat? [/quote] Can I ask why it matters? Genuine question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doddy Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 [quote name='AntLockyer' timestamp='1410287629' post='2547895'] Can I ask why it matters? Genuine question. [/quote] It's about chord and scale tones. A major or minor scale will contain a form of every letter from A-G. So as you know a C major scale is CDEFGAB, G major is GABCDEF# and so on. We can then make the chord tones, which are the 1, 3, 5, 7 notes of the scale. So for Cmaj7, we have CEGB. A Dominant 7 chord is made up of 1, 3, 5, b7, so the notes are CEGBb. If you were to write an A you would usually either have a C6 chord (CEGA) or you would add it on top the dominant 7 chord to make a C13. That's a bit long winded, but basically it's because in a dominant 7 chord you a flattening the 7th and not raising the 6th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 [quote name='AntLockyer' timestamp='1410287629' post='2547895'] Can I ask why it matters? Genuine question. [/quote] It 'matters' up to a point if one wishes to avoid having duplicate note letters in the scale. Doddy's on the button, as usual, with the 'real', technical explanation,but it can help to bear in mind that, if there's already a 'D' in the scale (in the OT example...), we wouldn't want a 'D#'. If there's an 'Eb', there'll be no ambiguous 'E'. So that's all right then. Hope this helps (but Doddy's is better... [size=4] ).[/size] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntLockyer Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Thanks for the explanation of why they are different and which should be used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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