Copying your CDs for personal use

[Roland Rock]

For those who have hitherto been afraid to copy their CDs and DVDs onto their computers/phones/clouds for fear of the police squat team breaking the door down - fear not! From the first of October, this will be legal!

[Myke]

This was illegal?

[Cameronj279]

...it was/is illegal?

[Dad3353]

Damned..! Now I'll have to think of something else to bring down the System. Boil my eggs too hard, maybe..? Return my library books a week later..? Hmm...

[JTUK]

I think if you paid for it in the first instance, then another copy/copies for your own use is fair game
even though that might have been technically illegal.
The grey area is when it gets into someone elses hands and potentially stops a sale...
Well, not so grey, in fact.

[Dad3353]

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1411325877' post='2558473']...and potentially stops a sale...
[/quote]

... and potentially [i]makes [/i]several future sales..!

[Cameronj279]

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1411325844' post='2558472']
Return my library books a week later..?
[/quote]

Don't go too mad!

[flyfisher]

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1411325877' post='2558473']
I think if you paid for it in the first instance, then another copy/copies for your own use is fair game
even though that might have been technically illegal.
The grey area is when it gets into someone elses hands and potentially stops a sale...
Well, not so grey, in fact.
[/quote]

Agreed - it's a technicality being fixed. 'Natural justice' implies that you buy the right to listen to a piece of music. The physical form might be vinyl, tape, CD or bits (er, ok, that's not physical, but you get my drift) but it's really the right to listen to the music that you really want.

However, I wonder what the new law says about buying a CD, ripping it to a PC and then selling the CD? That's clearly not right, unless you delete the ripped copy at the same time.

[The Admiral]

I copy a lot of CDs fron iTunes. I've bought the original, but I don't like taking the original out in the car, so I just rip them - and if they get nicked or trashed (ably assisted by Mrs A not putting them back in the wallets), it doesn't matter.

The original, complete with nice booklet, gets stored safely.

Edited September 22, 2014 by The Admiral

[BassTractor]

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1411325844' post='2558472']
Return my library books a week later..?
[/quote]

In Norway, if you want to wreak havoc and bring The System down, you return your library books in time.

[Geek99]

i think making personal copy has always been legal; i think its distribution, publication, public performance etc thats always been the issue.

[Roland Rock]

[quote name='Geek99' timestamp='1411381738' post='2558866']
i think making personal copy has always been legal; i think its distribution, publication, public performance etc thats always been the issue.
[/quote]

Previously, ANY copying of copyright content, even for personal use, without the permission of the rights holders was illegal. The law is being brought up to date (following the publication of the government's 2012 'Modernising Copyright' document) to reflect new technology use.

There are a few grumbles about this private copying exception, because, like JTUK says, it is not crystal clear what can and can't be done with the copies, and the copyright bods want to enure that they/the rights holders will not lose out.

http://www.ipo.gov.uk/hargreaves-copyright-techreview
http://www.ipo.gov.uk/ia-exception-privatecopy.pdf

Pedant Edit: document describes it as unlawful, rather than illegal - not sure what the difference is, if any?

Edited September 22, 2014 by Roland Rock

[gadgie]

This is something that has made me wonder in the past. I mean, what about disco's or nightclubs etc..or even funfairs play music, or they did back in the day.

[Earbrass]

[quote name='gadgie' timestamp='1411393302' post='2559026']
I mean, what about disco's or nightclubs etc..or even funfairs play music, or they did back in the day.
[/quote]

They need a PRS licence to do so.

[Jus Lukin]

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Edited February 28, 2022 by Jus Lukin

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