afterimage Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Just had a email from tc. New amps now have tone print Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaners Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 just had a look at these on bass direct's website. they look nice 419 for the 550 and 499 for the 800, theres even a video Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molan Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 It'll be interesting to see what happens to them once they've been sold. Current owners saying the sale of the business is purely for expansion but too many times a new owner seems to wreck a business in the music industry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indiegrungesound Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I've only had a brief look at the website for these, but so far I'm in two minds about these. On the plus side, they're lightweight. The volume & tone of heads should be good too, being a BH500 owner and having demoed the BH250 & RH450 in the past. The capability of having Two Tone Prints at the same time is appealing too. However, I do have a couple of grumbles. I can see reasons for discontinuing the BH500 for reasons of size, weight and aesthetics, but I don't actually agree with ANY of those arguments(The BH500 is not overly heavy at 13kgs, and it's appearance has always favourably reminded me of the SWR Redhead amp-if it wasn't part of a combo.)! Also, I think dropping the Spectracomp and Tube Tone dials is a bad idea, as I think they are awesome features! Then there's the power output settings/uprating. Won't 550 watts @ 4 ohms risk blowing the speakers in the BC cabs that TC Electronic make? Only my opinion mind. I'll also look at the website again in case I've missed any details. I also would not be against trying these heads out either! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlfer Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I've just gone on it and played the samples of the duo tones effects thingies. Bloody awful noises. Now I know why I don't use effects. Obviously my opinion, but I would hope a naysayer is allowed their opinion . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sykilz Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 [quote name='indiegrungesound' timestamp='1412277184' post='2567486'] Then there's the power output settings/uprating. Won't 550 watts @ 4 ohms risk blowing the speakers in the BC cabs that TC Electronic make? Only my opinion mind. I'll also look at the website again in case I've missed any details. I also would not be against trying these heads out either! [/quote] Also just looked at the TC website, I own a BH500, and also the 410 and a 212 cab, and the new amps WON'T power these cabs together according to the site, they'll only power a 4 ohm load i.e. the 410 alone or 2x212 ( or 2x210 ). The BH 500 will power up to 3 of the 212 or 210 cabs, or 2 of the 410s, or a combination of these, which is great as I gig with no pa support and when playing big clubs I do use both my cabs together, although this is rare. So yay for lighter, cuter amp, nay for less speaker capability!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannybuoy Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 I think that must be a misprint or misinterpretation. Any solid state amp that can run at 4ohms will be stressed less by running it at 8ohms, never heard of one that will only work at 4ohms. It's just the design of a tube power section that needs the correct impedance hooked up to the correct output socket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sykilz Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 No, sorry, I meant it will only run at a minimum 4 ohm, obviously it will work fine with a single 8 ohm cab, whereas theBH500, although it says it will only run down to 4 ohm, if you use TCs own cabs you can run three 8 ohm cabs, or one 4 ohm plus one 8 ohm. Same with the RH 450/750, they can run the multi cabs as long as they're TCs own cabs. I've asked on here why that is, but noones quite sure! There are useful picture diagrams on TCs website showing which of their cabs you can run from each of their amps, and the new ones are more limited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sykilz Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Here's the diagrams, sorry the resolution is a bit naff! Basically the one on the left is BH500 and the right is the new BH550/800. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guinness21 Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 If the 800 is 800w and not TC telling more fibs then i'll definitely be interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenny_Innie Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Come to Mummy! Although, I can't see any dimensions on their's or any of the dealer's sites. Will it fit in my RH450 gig bag? Ideally, at the same time as the RH, so that I can either dual amp or use one as a backup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqntbghd Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 I'm seeing these amps as a nice addition to a RH450 : use the rh450 as a preamp (presets, tube tone, spectra comp) and then feed into the BH800 as pedal board and power amp : lots of power (if not TC emphasis) and two more tone prints if needed (chorus and octaver for me please) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatbass787 Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 So how many real watts will these be... Or are we talking TC super quasi compressed watts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guinness21 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 [quote name='phatbass787' timestamp='1412636247' post='2570728'] So how many real watts will these be... Or are we talking TC super quasi compressed watts [/quote] Yeah, before I'd ever consider buying one I'd need to know the real power output. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqntbghd Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 [quote name='Guinness21' timestamp='1412665870' post='2570779'] Yeah, before I'd ever consider buying one I'd need to know the real power output. [/quote] I've asked them on their forums : [url="http://forum.tcelectronic.com/post/93955/#p93955"]http://forum.tcelectronic.com/post/93955/#p93955[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannybuoy Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 That's a very diplomatic way of phrasing "are you lying about the power output of the new amps also?"! Nicely put. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqntbghd Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Actually if you read their white paper about active power management, they're not lying that much. Yes the watt numbers they announce in the product codename is not the RMS_8Ohms wattage, but nobody would buy their products if they done that, Who would buy a RH236 top of line amp ? It is completely ok to do power management in order to maximise the perceived output by the end-user (humans are not good a measuring RMS power, but feel the power). If you take a multimeter and measure real power output from various high end amps you would be surprised. However TC have published a white-paper with numbers and scientific measurements of the amp section that explain how they do they power management and how to repro the experience. They are pretty transparent about it and that's really good to them. They have done it for the RH series and the Blacksmith, now it's time to ask for the BH series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indiegrungesound Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 [quote name='phatbass787' timestamp='1412636247' post='2570728'] So how many real watts will these be... Or are we talking TC super quasi compressed watts [/quote] Quasi watts or otherwise, my BH500-which I was pleased to find out hasn't been discontinued! B-)-has plenty of oomph for my needs(My Hartke LH500 is marginally louder, but both do the job brilliant for my band.)! I think, for all interested parties, it's all a case of testing the new heads, seeing if you like them, then seeing if they go with the cabs you use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Dean Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Well has anyone tested one yet ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqntbghd Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 not yet, i've seen one in a music store but couldn't test it at this time. I've also found out something interesting on TC forums : These amps have no ActivePowerManagement, so we're talking about 800 real watts (RMS ? ). this might be interesting to listen to... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazm Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Waiting for delivery of a BH800 in the next day or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibass11 Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Ive just picked up a TC BH800! first gig with it tonight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Dean Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 What cab are you going to use ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibass11 Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Barefaced Big Twin 2! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Dean Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 I'll expect a full report first thing tomorrow what head have you been using ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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