FuNkShUi Posted October 3, 2014 Posted October 3, 2014 Ok, so im going to keep the Bergs i have. Feel like i was giving them away at the prices i was offering and still wasnt really getting any interest. The reason I was thinking about selling was due to weight and difference in size between the 210 and 112 i have. The sound was never the problem. Looking at the weight, they probably weigh 5kg more than what i wouldve replaced them with, so realistically, i feel i should stop whining and just lift them! So your in my position. You have a HD112 and a HD210, both with tweeters (dont know if thats standard), what amp would you run them with? The 210 is 400w @ 8 ohms and the HD112 is 350W @8ohms. The SWR pre amp i have is immense. It probably has too much on it for my liking, and is a little too large. I suffer bass related OCD!! Apparently its not as rare as i originally feared. So i want something class D really. And i plan on driving about a bit to try a few heads out and see what sounds best. Any of you have/had this set up? Any recommendations on what what sit well with the Bergs? Thanks in advance Quote
JTUK Posted October 3, 2014 Posted October 3, 2014 TH500 would be top of my list for class D..and it is the only one of that type, I've liked enough. If you want a very good amp at around 20lbs or so...go Thnderfunk. Quote
FuNkShUi Posted October 3, 2014 Author Posted October 3, 2014 (edited) Which version of the Thunderfunk would you suggest? I worry the 550 may not have enough oomph? But i have no experience so could well be wrong Edited October 3, 2014 by FuNkShUi Quote
JTUK Posted October 3, 2014 Posted October 3, 2014 I used the TF550-B with 2xAE112's and 2xDB210's and I got very loud with that on stages... a stage to me starts around 8m x 4m... We'd have bass monitors as well, but mostly the bass rig as described would handle that, IME. Admittedly, I traded up to a 750/4 amp but that wasn't for the volume. Talking to TF users, they say the 750 and 800 are very good amps as well, but I am not sure I'd pay the difference to upgrade from a 550. What I have found you get from a 550 amp and a 750 amp, is not volume whilst standing local.. but the louder amp fills the room deeper..and in many gigs, the 750 is TOO much. I sold the TF..when what I really to sell was the AE112's...but I have a very light class D now and I will run that with very light 2x112 ( not the Bergs ) so that fits my light/tiny rig idea. I still have the big rig 750 plus appropriate cabs as well. That was my thinking..all basses covered. Quote
FuNkShUi Posted October 3, 2014 Author Posted October 3, 2014 Yeh makes sense. Definitely one to consider, my trouble might be finding one to have a play around with. Quote
JTUK Posted October 3, 2014 Posted October 3, 2014 The TF550-B has the same sort of EQ stage as classic SWR...so a couple of filters along with a 4 band semi parametric which means VERY powerful tone shaping. I never used the Parametric as the bass was good straight ...and the filters were very decent mappings anyway, IMO. I agree, you'll not track them down in shops. Quote
FuNkShUi Posted October 3, 2014 Author Posted October 3, 2014 Mmmmmmmmm. Anyone in South Wales with a Thunderfunk? Any other suggestions to try? Ive never tried a Genz, and have always fancied a dabble Quote
molan Posted October 3, 2014 Posted October 3, 2014 I had a TF550 and moved it on very quickly. It seemed a very 'picky' amp. Worked well with some cabs and not others. For a short while I had the TF, an Aguilar AG500 and a TH500 and the TH was by far my favourite. In fact I ran a little home test with a 'name' bassist who lives near me and he hated the TF and refused to try it for more than a few minutes because he simply could not get a sound he liked from it. The AG500 came 2nd and the TH also won for him. The speakers we were using were all 12's Aguilar DB and SL and Bergantino AE. The TH sounded good with all of them, the AG was nice with the DB's but a bit too bright with the Neo cabs and the TF just sounded very 'coloured' with all of them but also best with the DB's. I think it's one of those amps that you'll really like if you find the 'coloured' sound is what you were after, if not then it's one to walk away from Quote
FuNkShUi Posted October 4, 2014 Author Posted October 4, 2014 Cheers Barrie. I do prefer not having to fiddle too much to get a sound I like. I would like to try a thunder funk, but I doubt that's going to be possible. And I don't want to buy without having a go first. Quote
molan Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 They hold value pretty well - could probably get one here and then re-sell easily if you didn't like it I bought mine used from the Bass Merchant for £525 and got that back again when it sold. Quote
FuNkShUi Posted October 4, 2014 Author Posted October 4, 2014 Just a case of selling my SWR pre amp now, and I can start trying a few out Quote
fretmeister Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 Genz Shuttle and Streamliner models both work very well with the HD cabs. Quote
Roland Rock Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 (edited) There are some seriously high end class D amps in the BC marketplace at the moment: Loadsamoney: http://basschat.co.uk/topic/242739-walter-woods-blue-light-1200w/page__p__2561081__hl__walter%20woods__fromsearch__1#entry2561081 More realistic: http://basschat.co.uk/topic/244167-fs-glockenklang-blue-soul/page__p__2559794__hl__glockenklang__fromsearch__1#entry2559794 Not sure if this package is able to be split, but they are reportedly superb amps: http://basschat.co.uk/topic/246483-feeler-demeter-minnie-vtbp-m-800d-signed-edition-plus-ea-nl210/page__p__2568639__hl__demeter__fromsearch__1#entry2568639 Edited October 4, 2014 by Roland Rock Quote
FuNkShUi Posted October 4, 2014 Author Posted October 4, 2014 The Walter woods is way more than I want to spend, although it's always nice to dream. I've spoke to Pete and Brian about the other 2 you mentioned. I liked the look of both. Just a case of trying to shift what I have now to get the cash Quote
FuNkShUi Posted October 4, 2014 Author Posted October 4, 2014 [quote name='fretmeister' timestamp='1412425867' post='2568832'] Genz Shuttle and Streamliner models both work very well with the HD cabs. [/quote] I will definitely be trying to find both to have a go of Quote
IanA Posted October 5, 2014 Posted October 5, 2014 Markbass, genz shuttle .2 amps,Gk, tecamp Puma will all sound great through HD cabs. Beware of anything too fat as the cabs are already very warm! Quote
FuNkShUi Posted October 6, 2014 Author Posted October 6, 2014 What is the difference with the GB6.0 and 6.2? Yes they are definitely warmer than other cabs I've had Quote
Roland Rock Posted October 6, 2014 Posted October 6, 2014 [quote name='FuNkShUi' timestamp='1412611836' post='2570368'] What is the difference with the GB6.0 and 6.2? [/quote] As I understand it, the 6.0 has the HPF set quite high, and this was lowered for the 6.2 I've also read about a tweak in the EQ voicings too. Quote
IanA Posted October 6, 2014 Posted October 6, 2014 [quote name='Roland Rock' timestamp='1412614232' post='2570408'] As I understand it, the 6.0 has the HPF set quite high, and this was lowered for the 6.2 I've also read about a tweak in the EQ voicings too. [/quote] I think it gets 3pdm as well which gives more heft to notes Quote
stingrayPete1977 Posted October 6, 2014 Posted October 6, 2014 One of the best bass sounds ive ever heard in my life was a 1971 Jazz bass into a pair of Bergs via a Shuttlemax 9.2 head. It was totally killer! Quote
stingrayPete1977 Posted October 6, 2014 Posted October 6, 2014 My own ocd would make me want to swap one of the cabs to make a matching pair though, id be more than happy with either outcome especially with any Berg cabs Quote
FuNkShUi Posted October 6, 2014 Author Posted October 6, 2014 Yeh I'd be open with a trade with someone so they can match. Quote
FuNkShUi Posted October 6, 2014 Author Posted October 6, 2014 I'll just have to keep my eyes peeled in the sales section. Or if you are aware of someone who would be up for it, send them my way Quote
ratman Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 I've had a Streamliner 600 for a couple of years now, and I quickly paired it with a single HD112, it's a lovely combination. I tried an HD210 with the 12 but the adding the 10's in the rig made the overall sound way too punchy for my taste. This year I got a second HD112 and the two 12's together are stunning. Lots of tight & focused low end, a big sound. But not big in that it takes over the stage, yet it's all around you at the same time. Definitely worth trying out. Quote
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