leschirons Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 (edited) Not being a techie, I assume this is not faked in some way. Apparently, the sound guy hadn't been paid so this was revenge. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-xUwDARVb4 Edited October 10, 2014 by icastle Link Fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skidder652003 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 thank god no one's isolated my bass playing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlungerModerno Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Painfully bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 (edited) Wow! She got away with murder, there! Seriously though, it's not that bad. It's shown out of context. A lot of what a live show is, is... attitude. Edited October 9, 2014 by discreet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 And this is WITH the band. Sounds alright to me, and it's a good song. This would have been near the end of the set, and at the end she says the PA is killing her voice. If you've tried singing on stage and the monitoring isn't right you'll know what she means. Despite the sound guy saying he just likes to share, he clearly has a massive beef about not getting paid, and rightly, but to do what he's done is bang out of order in my book, for to me, it's clearly a revenge tactic, and Courtney Love would not be the person seeing the invoice. So, J.M.Ladd, you're a f***ing dick. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13QNXpJugBc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twincam Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Goes to show that you can get away with a lot, in the mix haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevB Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 (edited) Presumably her guitar was just mixed so low to FOH that it wasn't loud enough to mess up the OK performance from everyone else. Certainly wouldn't be the first time nor the last at a live music gig. Doesn't condone her horrible sloppy playing (assuming it's genuine) but if the suggestion is that she actually plays like this all the time at every show it's probably way off. Edited October 9, 2014 by KevB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leschirons Posted October 9, 2014 Author Share Posted October 9, 2014 I'm staying right out of the rights and wrongs of this but it certainly opened my eyes as to what we perceive to hear from an audience point of view. [size=4] [/size] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Bloody Rickenbackers, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevB Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Yeah, that's why the Beatles [i]really[/i] stopped touring. Couldn't keep 'em in tune Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 (edited) From the Guardian: Raw power: why mocking the isolated vocals of Courtney Love is misogynistic Raw audio of Courtney Love performing was posted online by a vengeful sound engineer. But male musicians are rarely exposed like this, so is it just another means to tell women they don’t belong? [url="http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2014/oct/10/raw-power-why-mocking-isolated-vocals-of-courtney-love-is-misogynistic"]http://www.theguardi...is-misogynistic[/url] Edited October 10, 2014 by xilddx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Thats not true though - go on youtube you can hear isolated vocals of loads of songs and most of them are men (which is probably as it tends to be rock acts and there are more men). That is just an article by someone on their own hobby horse who didn't bother doing any research https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5TqrD7I6G6idEcV8ymcHf02x22oJt6Vt Personally I think her voice in that is fine, in that it sounds pretty much like her voice in the mix. Her guitar is awful but I assume that is just there as a prop, not to be played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 [quote name='Woodinblack' timestamp='1412960159' post='2573712'] Thats not true though - go on youtube you can hear isolated vocals of loads of songs and most of them are men (which is probably as it tends to be rock acts and there are more men). That is just an article by someone on their own hobby horse who didn't bother doing any research [url="https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5TqrD7I6G6idEcV8ymcHf02x22oJt6Vt"]https://www.youtube....mcHf02x22oJt6Vt[/url] Personally I think her voice in that is fine, in that it sounds pretty much like her voice in the mix. Her guitar is awful but I assume that is just there as a prop, not to be played. [/quote] But those are there for interest and a lot of them are from Guitar Hero or summat aren't they? This was a pissed off geezer getting some revenge. However I somewhat agree with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 (edited) [quote name='Woodinblack' timestamp='1412960159' post='2573712'] Personally I think her voice in that is fine, in that it sounds pretty much like her voice in the mix. Her guitar is awful but I assume that is just there as a prop, not to be played. [/quote] That's what I thought. Her singing is fine. I assume we only hear the guitar in that vid because the sound guy in question wanted us to hear it. I'm willing to bet that no-one in the audience would have heard it at all, and that would be situation normal. I'm sure it doesn't go FOH. That's why there's a proper rhythm guitarist in the band. I'm not defending C Love in any way at all - I think she has done some questionable things - but then who hasn't? Edited October 10, 2014 by discreet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcnach Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 [quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1412852118' post='2572633'] And this is WITH the band. Sounds alright to me, and it's a good song. This would have been near the end of the set, and at the end she says the PA is killing her voice. If you've tried singing on stage and the monitoring isn't right you'll know what she means. Despite the sound guy saying he just likes to share, he clearly has a massive beef about not getting paid, and rightly, but to do what he's done is bang out of order in my book, for to me, it's clearly a revenge tactic, and Courtney Love would not be the person seeing the invoice. So, J.M.Ladd, you're a f***ing dick. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13QNXpJugBc[/media] [/quote] That sounds good because... her guitar is inaudible in the mix! It is not exactly unusual for singer/guitarists to use a guitar as little more than a prop, having the backing of other guitarists in the band. They get to play some bits (msostly intros), and look cool with a guitar, then the sound engineer ensures the appropriate mix makes it to FOH with little of that person's guitar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcnach Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 [quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1412959684' post='2573706'] From the Guardian: Raw power: why mocking the isolated vocals of Courtney Love is misogynistic Raw audio of Courtney Love performing was posted online by a vengeful sound engineer. But male musicians are rarely exposed like this, so is it just another means to tell women they don’t belong? [url="http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2014/oct/10/raw-power-why-mocking-isolated-vocals-of-courtney-love-is-misogynistic"]http://www.theguardi...is-misogynistic[/url] [/quote] you're not seriously suggesting this was posted because she is bla... oh, sorry, because she's a woman, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcnach Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 [quote name='Woodinblack' timestamp='1412960159' post='2573712'] Thats not true though - go on youtube you can hear isolated vocals of loads of songs and most of them are men (which is probably as it tends to be rock acts and there are more men). That is just an article by someone on their own hobby horse who didn't bother doing any research [url="https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5TqrD7I6G6idEcV8ymcHf02x22oJt6Vt"]https://www.youtube....mcHf02x22oJt6Vt[/url] Personally I think her voice in that is fine, in that it sounds pretty much like her voice in the mix. Her guitar is awful but I assume that is just there as a prop, not to be played. [/quote] That's my view too. There's this video of the band in Paris... She forgets the chords at the beginning, which I know it can happen even if you played the song a million times, the brain has a way of playing with us sometimes , but you can hear the same kind of guitar sound, out of tune too, and as soon as the song kicks in, her guitar is dropped from the mix. [url="http://youtu.be/BG6xZlBUDD4"]http://youtu.be/BG6xZlBUDD4[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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