ash Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) Either very ignorant or another scammer is born Despite the odd looking ID stamps, the machine heads and decal are wrong, pickups look too new, backplate plating looks too shiny and wrong and the truss rod has the wrong type of nut. What do you think? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1969-USA-FENDER-PRECISION-BASS-COMPLETE-WITH-HARD-CASE/111485049623?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D24932%26meid%3D5c7cecd71af0486e84003c249bd5d048%26pid%3D100009%26prg%3D10513%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D281469825444 Edited October 17, 2014 by ash Quote
itsmedunc Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 It looks as good as a Westfield with a wrinkly decal though... Quote
KiOgon Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) Very wrong! Reported Edit 2: I have to say they are the nastiest tuners I've ever seen Edited October 17, 2014 by KiOgon Quote
Hobbayne Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 Fret cover? Never heard that one before!! Quote
Beer of the Bass Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 Those bridges with the extra screws at the front seem to be a cheap copy thing too. Quote
Roger2611 Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 It looks very shaky to me, the ill fitting nut, the uniform direction of scratching to the neck plate, the incorrect truss rod adjuster etc etc. the whole thing looks like an amateur attempt to defraud, what worries me is the description from a seller with 100% feedback across 1900 transactions, he suggests he knows where it came from and where it has been for 22 years plus, either this is a very early attempt at a dodgy precision copy and the seller and his father were genuinely had over or it is a blatant lie Quote
Happy Jack Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 In fairness, if his Dad bought it in the early 90s (i.e. pre-Internet) then there was a LOT less information about this sort of stuff out there, and it was far easier to get done, even with a fraud as amateurish as this. Quote
Beer of the Bass Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) [quote name='Happy Jack' timestamp='1413544450' post='2579316'] In fairness, if his Dad bought it in the early 90s (i.e. pre-Internet) then there was a LOT less information about this sort of stuff out there, and it was far easier to get done, even with a fraud as amateurish as this. [/quote] Yes, it could be a copy from that period with some cheeky fake labels and decal. It looks a lot like an Encore or similar, right down to the truss rod adjustment, bridge and tuners. It's weird that the seller points out that the control cavity had to be widened for full-size pots, without knowing that a Fender would have come fitted with them. This suggests a certain lack of knowledge on his part, as any scammer worth his salt wouldn't have mentioned this. So was his dad ripped off, or is it him trying to rip us off? Edited October 17, 2014 by Beer of the Bass Quote
Happy Jack Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 [quote name='Beer of the Bass' timestamp='1413545159' post='2579332'] So was his dad ripped off, or is it him trying to rip us off? [/quote] [Patrick Moore] Well this-is-one-of-those-things-that-we [size=5][i][b]just, don't, know[/b][/i][/size]. [/Patrick Moore] Quote
Roger2611 Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 I messaged the seller, his response is below: [color=#000080][font=arial,sans-serif][size=3]I passed on your message to my Father who has responded as follows.[/size][/font] [font=arial,sans-serif][size=3]“Thanks for your comments. I bought this guitar from a well known and upstanding music shop in Mesa Arizona. I was informed that this was a genuine 1969 Fender Precision bass. It was a long time ago and was given an absolute guarantee it was the genuine article. I did have some paperwork but that disappeared years ago. I do remember questioning the bridge and was told that the previous owner had drilled a couple of extra holes to add strength to the fixing.[/size][/font] [font=arial,sans-serif][size=3]The tuners are original as bought as was the neck with its allen key adjustment.[/size][/font] [font=arial,sans-serif][size=3]The nut is positioned absolutely correctly but I changed it myself to a black graphite nut as, at the time, I thought it looked better in black.[/size][/font] [font=arial,sans-serif][size=3]I have checked the neckplate and serial number with Fender and believe that it is absolutely accurate for a ‘69 USA Precision Bass.[/size][/font] [font=arial,sans-serif][size=3]I hope this answers your questions. You are more than welcome to inspect this bass guitar which is located in North Yorkshire.”[/size][/font][/color] [color=#000000][font=arial, sans-serif][size=3]I think the seller genuinely believes it is the real deal. [/size][/font][/color] Quote
itsmedunc Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 [quote name='KiOgon' timestamp='1413538077' post='2579210'] Very wrong! Reported Edit 2: I have to say they are the nastiest tuners I've ever seen [/quote] They look like they've been battered on by a cooper... Not battered by a copper... but you never know... Quote
PlungerModerno Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 Something is amiss here. I wonder can ebay intervene in this kind of situation? This is almost certainly a deliberate forgery, and however the seller came about it - fair or foul - it shouldn't just roll on. I've not sold stuff on ebay so I don't really know how it works. Quote
JapanAxe Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 'More powerful pots'? I'd like to know how that works! Quote
Roger2611 Posted October 19, 2014 Posted October 19, 2014 [quote name='PlungerModerno' timestamp='1413657897' post='2580679'] Something is amiss here. I wonder can ebay intervene in this kind of situation? This is almost certainly a deliberate forgery, and however the seller came about it - fair or foul - it shouldn't just roll on. I've not sold stuff on ebay so I don't really know how it works. [/quote] I believe it has already been reported and Ebay have decided not to pull it, it is pretty clear to any knowing buyer that it is a fake and anyone on here would hopefully put it up to scrutiny from our learned friends as above. Hopefully no one will fall for it and it will remain unsold....but I agree Ebay should be more responsive when they are advised as item is a definite fake Quote
cameltoe Posted October 19, 2014 Posted October 19, 2014 [quote name='Roger2611' timestamp='1413738328' post='2581402'] I believe it has already been reported and Ebay have decided not to pull it, it is pretty clear to any knowing buyer that it is a fake and anyone on here would hopefully put it up to scrutiny from our learned friends as above. Hopefully no one will fall for it and it will remain unsold....but I agree Ebay should be more responsive when they are advised as item is a definite fake [/quote] Yes if it was a Rick it wouldn't have stayed up. Quote
soulboy Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 I noticed this the other day just thought I would give you all the heads up. I have contacted the seller to inform him its not a 1969 or even a Fender for that matter. Cheers [url="http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111485049623?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT"]http://www.ebay.co.u...K%3AMEBIDX%3AIT[/url] Quote
HowieBass Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 Just had a quick look but since I know little about what should be there for that era I'm guessing wrong serial, wrong machine heads and wrong truss rod nut? Plus the case looks totally new (so probably is). Quote
Weststarx Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 [quote name='soulboy' timestamp='1413801772' post='2581964'] its not a 1969 or even a Fender for that matter. [/quote] What are the things to look out for? Quote
KiOgon Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 (edited) [quote name='Weststarx' timestamp='1413802528' post='2581984'] What are the things to look out for? [/quote]Look out for lying bastards on ebay trying to rip people off simple EDIT: BTW this should be in the ebay forum - with the other thread - http://basschat.co.uk/topic/247362-1969-precisionnot/ Edited October 20, 2014 by KiOgon Quote
dannybuoy Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 Interested to know what it is then - Japanese? Truss adjuster at the heel end looks unusual, on fenders they are higher up closer to the fretboard: Quote
BetaFunk Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 This is already in the eBay - Weird and Wonderful section. http://basschat.co.uk/topic/247362-1969-precisionnot/ Quote
Marc S Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 Thanks for pointing this out soulboy Any other hints & tips for spotting fakes is always welcome.... Quote
soulboy Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 Thanks I couldn't find the ebay forum. Things to look out for: The headstock is the wrong shape Decal is in the wrong position Machineheads are wrong with no visible signs of where the old, larger Fender ones were Position markers look like pearl Bridge has seven screws (Fenders have five) Quote
Marc S Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 [quote name='Roger2611' timestamp='1413738328' post='2581402'] ......Hopefully no one will fall for it and it will remain unsold....but I agree Ebay should be more responsive when they are advised as item is a definite fake [/quote] This is one reason I don't like using ebay for musical instruments You could get scammed, and it seems like they don't care otherwise they'd remove it! As the above poster says - if it was a Rick copy, it'd be pulled off ebay straight away They are more in fear of legal action, than a buyer being ripped off Quote
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