iamthewalrus Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 Hiya, This ones for the Epifani users on here - wonder if anyone can help or if I'm just thick? (Mods - feel free to move if in the wrong part of the forum)., I've got two Epifani UL110's which are being powered by a Yamaha BBT500H. This setup replaced my two Peavey cabs (a 1 x 15 & a 2 x 10) & a Trace AH500 head. I've been using this setup for about a year now & I seem to be missing a bit of oomph in the bass end (got the top & midrange fine) - both cabs have got an HF horn. Is it a case of turning down (or even turning off) one of the HF horns & boosting the other? I know I shouldn't really expect thundering lows out of this setup (couldn't go back to lugging full size cabs again) but is this the way foirward or am I missing something? Looking forward to any help or pointers. Cheers, iamthewalrus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_bass5 Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 (edited) [quote name='iamthewalrus' post='253842' date='Aug 3 2008, 06:43 PM']Hiya, This ones for the Epifani users on here - wonder if anyone can help or if I'm just thick? (Mods - feel free to move if in the wrong part of the forum)., I've got two Epifani UL110's which are being powered by a Yamaha BBT500H. This setup replaced my two Peavey cabs (a 1 x 15 & a 2 x 10) & a Trace AH500 head. I've been using this setup for about a year now & I seem to be missing a bit of oomph in the bass end (got the top & midrange fine) - both cabs have got an HF horn. Is it a case of turning down (or even turning off) one of the HF horns & boosting the other? I know I shouldn't really expect thundering lows out of this setup (couldn't go back to lugging full size cabs again) but is this the way foirward or am I missing something? Looking forward to any help or pointers. Cheers, iamthewalrus.[/quote] Personally i would say its nothing to do with Epifani but they type of cabs you are using. You have basically gone from a 2x10 plus 1x15 to a 2x10. So i would imaging its just like taking away the 1x15. Im sure you can get some nice lows but i have a feeling your not going to be happy with just the 2x10 cabs. I would say its nothing to do with the horns but it wont hurt to turn one or both down, the 10's will have a lot of high mids so you should still cut through. You dont need to go back to a full sized cab but i would think something liek a Schroerder 1210 or 1212 would be a better match to your old set up and much lighter. Not familiar with the head so i cant really comment on it. Edited August 3, 2008 by dave_bass5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bass_ferret Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 The reason the tweeters are adjustable is so they can be adjusted! The reason amps have tone controls is so they can be adjusted! Within the bounds of the first rule of Alex: [b]You can use any power ouput amp with any power handling cab. If any of these combinations makes bad sounds then turn down and/or stop cranking the bass EQ excessively or damage may occur[/b] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bass_ferret Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 Think about it - the UL110 probably has the same tweeter as the UL310, although I'm not an expert on Epifani cabs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obbm Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 The Americans have a saying about car engines that "[b]there ain't no substitute for cubic inches[/b][i][/i]" I am firmly of the belief that this also applies to bass cabs. I once had a UL110 and changed to a Ul112 because it was too middy/toppy. Now I run a UL112 and a T112NYC. The tweeter is off on the NYC and at 25% on the UL but it still lacks those deep lows. I did a side-by-side a T212NYC which was thunderously deep and mellow. The UL310 was also much deeper. I have resigned myself to the fact that I needed a decent sized cab to get the sound I wanted so I now have a Berg NV610. Nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 Sell me one of your UL110 cabs and get a neo 1x12, 2x12 or 1x15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bass_ferret Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 I had an ebs neo 110/112 stack - sounded pretty good despite mixing driver sizes. The 110 would run out of puff first though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flychris Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 going to a 2x12" could be a solution... I was formerly user of 4x10 + 15, before chosing a 2x12 which is great... for sound. But 12" is more accuracy and has a more "hi-fi" tone... So check it out before buying one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexclaber Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 Doesn't the Yamaha have a really cunning parametric EQ? If so, use that to cut the lows very hard below the tuning frequency (somewhere between 40 and 60Hz, experiment) and then add boost at and just above the tuning frequency. That'll get you maximum bottom with minimum chance of farting out. (To exactly find the tuning frequency, download WinISD and use the signal generator on it to drive your bass amp - lay the cab on its back, sprinkle salt on the cone and when it bounces the least (in the sub 80Hz region) then you've found it). At the end of the day though you're using very small cabs with restricted low frequency response and drivers with limited excursion - at least they'll make nasty noises before you damage them but don't expect much real fatness. Going to bigger cabs won't help unless the total cab volume and/or cone displacement (area x excursion) is increased. Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthewalrus Posted August 6, 2008 Author Share Posted August 6, 2008 Hiya, Thanks to everyone who's replied - there's a lot of food for thought there to say the least, so I'll do some adjusting with the amp settings on the Yamaha. I'll also see what the effect of turning the horns down does. As much as I'd love to go back to using a 15, it's a case of me having to get on with what I've got.... Cheers, iamthewalrus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexclaber Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 [quote name='iamthewalrus' post='255966' date='Aug 6 2008, 07:51 AM']As much as I'd love to go back to using a 15, it's a case of me having to get on with what I've got....[/quote] Note link in signature - 15"s don't have to be heavy! Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bass_ferret Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 [quote name='obbm' post='253901' date='Aug 3 2008, 08:21 PM']The Americans have a saying about car engines that "[b]there ain't no substitute for cubic inches[/b][i][/i]"[/quote] That was the great Caroll Shelby who threw away the 2 litre engine in an AC Ace, chucked in a 5 litre V8 instead and called it a Cobra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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