The Message. Grand Mater Flash and the Furious 5.

[bubinga5]

this is the best hip hop record ever recorded imo.. there i said it. funny, i love so many epic hip hop records. . White Lines is great, PE is up there. but its no Grand MasterFlash. its such an Epic hip hop record.. when ever i think of the essence of hip hop its this record. . [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsmp-TYjxp4[/media]

Edited December 21, 2014 by bubinga5

[BetaFunk]

Great record. I bought this the day it was released in Summer 1982. It was an important record as far as hip-hop goes because it was a hit and was one of the records that brought hip-hop to the masses. It was also a time of political unrest and uncertainty and a time of protest the likes of which we don't see any more and it fitted in perfectly with the mood of those times.

[discreet]

Remember it well. Peel played it and I remember thinking at the time that it was an important record. It was a real breakthrough and had incredible potential, which in my opinion wasn't realised quite as much as it could have been...

[bubinga5]

i remember when Peel played it also. i also remember when Robbie Vincent played it on the Big Beat Show. has a lasting effect this record.

[bubinga5]

then again Robbie played this seminal record.. nothing to with my life in the UK, but later in life i recognised Public Enemy's message. a furious record. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVaw-uNx1K4

[Roger2611]

I only own two Hip Hop records, this and White Lines! I never came across any others after that that worked for me, the more the genre turned to Rap, being gangster and popping a cap in someone's ass the less it appealed

[molan]

Is Grand Mater Flash the, slightly older, feminist version

[discreet]

[quote name='molan' timestamp='1419160379' post='2637036']
Is Grand Mater Flash the, slightly older, feminist version
[/quote]

My own grand mater flashed inadvertently one Christmas while asleep in front of the TV.

[BetaFunk]

This was used as the theme tune for the Robbie Vincent show on Radio London in the late 70s/early 80s.

http://youtu.be/rA-hcDR6q2o

[BetaFunk]

[media]http://youtu.be/FTJ6RrQoOxU[/media]

http://youtu.be/csN15ASvnrc

Edited December 21, 2014 by BetaFunk

[waynepunkdude]

80s Hip-Hop has aged terribly IMO, I think there is better stuff around today.

[BetaFunk]

[quote name='waynepunkdude' timestamp='1419176225' post='2637223']
80s Hip-Hop has aged terribly IMO, I think there is better stuff around today.
[/quote]
I have no idea what age you were at the time (1982) but it's probably as much about social comment of the time as it was about the music.

[waynepunkdude]

[quote name='BetaFunk' timestamp='1419176522' post='2637225']
I have no idea what age you were at the time (1982) but it's probably as much about social comment of the time as it was about the music.
[/quote]

That's why it's aged, it's not really relevant any more I'm sure it was great at the time but issues move on and new artists take up the baton.

[bubinga5]

[quote name='waynepunkdude' timestamp='1419176225' post='2637223']
80s Hip-Hop has aged terribly IMO, I think there is better stuff around today.
[/quote]so what is better then.?. Hip hop is not all about social commentary. Some people actually like the sounds. If you listen to white lines, it's as relevant today as it ever was. You must have missed that maybe

Edited December 21, 2014 by bubinga5

[BetaFunk]

[quote name='waynepunkdude' timestamp='1419176684' post='2637227']
That's why it's aged, it's not really relevant any more I'm sure it was great at the time but issues move on and new artists take up the baton.
[/quote]
I'd be interested to know how old you were when The Message was released.

[Japhet]

Spot on Roger 2611.

[waynepunkdude]

[quote name='bubinga5' timestamp='1419178188' post='2637249']
so what is better then.?. Hip hop is not all about social commentary. Some people actually like the sounds. If you listen to white lines, it's as relevant today as it ever was. You must have missed that maybe
[/quote]

I agree, but this stuff does nothing for me and to be honest I prefer British Hip-hop, something like this for a start.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeV2cExvnMI

[BetaFunk]

[quote name='Roger2611' timestamp='1419160370' post='2637035']
I only own two Hip Hop records, this and White Lines! I never came across any others after that that worked for me, the more the genre turned to Rap, being gangster and popping a cap in someone's ass the less it appealed
[/quote]
You're obvious not a fan but that's no problem but there was a lot of great stuff around from 1979-1984 for anyone who was interested in it.

[Drax]

Back to the OP - had a weird turn of fate the other week. Fairly well oiled in a tiny pub in Ramsgate, people dancing away to an extended version of The Message. Got talking to the DJ and turned out it was Skip McDonald ! He lives in the area and hosts a night there once a month. Naturally we then had a drunk (well I was drunk) conversation about Doug Wimbish.

Pub is Queen Charlotte, Ramsgate. Any BC'ers ever in the area PM me and I'll join you for a pint.

Edited December 21, 2014 by Drax

[BetaFunk]

[quote name='waynepunkdude' timestamp='1419179266' post='2637278']
I agree, but this stuff does nothing for me and to be honest I prefer British Hip-hop, something like this for a start.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeV2cExvnMI[/media]
[/quote]
Not sure what the point of that is as far as the op is concerned but it did amuse me because if you were a fan of British Hip-Hop in the 80s this is what was on offer.

[media]http://youtu.be/FExauuV3acA[/media]

Edited December 21, 2014 by BetaFunk

[Drax]

If we're also talking about new stuff - Michael Christmas is worth checking.

He deserves to break though this year. His last album is free (!) >>

[url="http://www.audiomack.com/album/michael-christmas/is-this-art"]http://www.audiomack.com/album/michael-christmas/is-this-art[/url]


Ace videos as well >

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElHLgaXIZgg

[Bassnut62]

[quote name='Drax' timestamp='1419179538' post='2637284']
Back to the OP - had a weird turn of fate the other week. Fairly well oiled in a tiny pub in Ramsgate, people dancing away to an extended version of The Message. Got talking to the DJ and turned out it was Skip McDonald ! He lives in the area and hosts a night there once a month. Naturally we then had a drunk (well I was drunk) conversation about Doug Wimbish.

Pub is Queen Charlotte, Ramsgate. Any BC'ers ever in the area PM me and I'll join you for a pint.
[/quote]

My old mate Jeff is largely responsible for the rise of quality funky nights in Ramsgate. He moved there some years ago after much DJing in London and created a scene!!

[miles'tone]

[quote name='bubinga5' timestamp='1419122506' post='2636880']
this is the best hip hop record ever recorded imo.. there i said it. funny, i love so many epic hip hop records. . White Lines is great, PE is up there. but its no Grand MasterFlash. its such an Epic hip hop record.. when ever i think of the essence of hip hop its this record. . [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsmp-TYjxp4[/media]
[/quote]

Total classic!

Used to go and 'turn out' kids from a different school with my 'crew' to this as a young breakdancer in the early '80s.

Happy days!


(No wonder me backs foooked now)

[BetaFunk]

No Funkapolitan fans out there then?

[Drax]

[quote name='BetaFunk' timestamp='1419199882' post='2637593']
No Funkapolitan fans out there then?
[/quote]
when people talk about 'white man funk', they're the benchmark.
Actually not too far from a lot of current function bands.