Reverend Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]What I do know is that proper DSP is so much more than "just a little more top end". [/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Well, yeah, you're right. Believe me I know what proper DSP in speaker management looks like - as part of work I deal with the line up of professional cinema mixing environments - there's some very clever stuff going on. It's all good. [/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]I just question the need for it in a simple bass amplifier. I'm pretty sure I've never felt like I've really felt the need for a high resolution digital equaliser or loudspeaker management system on any gig I've ever done, small or large.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Being relatively poor, I realise I am not the target market for this amp, as I 'only' own two cabs, one of which I dial in "a little more top end" for. And it works great ;-)[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Anyway, I don't doubt that it'll be a killer amp regardless of cost. They seem to make well regarded stuff.[/font][/color] Quote
wateroftyne Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 I'm intrigued, too. What will it do? (As long as it's not like TC's power management system, 'cos that makes me want to sick up a little.) Quote
Owen Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 [quote name='Reverend' timestamp='1422016945' post='2667774'] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]I deal with the line up of professional cinema mixing environments - there's some very clever stuff going on. [/font][/color] [/quote] I knew there has to be bassists involved in that given the LF goodness available in the cinema [quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1422017159' post='2667780'] I'm intrigued, too. What will it do? [/quote] Wander across to TB and do a search on Bergantino IP stuff. Quote
wateroftyne Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 [quote name='owen' timestamp='1422017777' post='2667785'] Wander across to TB and do a search on Bergantino IP stuff. [/quote] Oh, it's the same kind-of thing as that? Deffo not my bag then, but I'm sure it'll appeal to a lot of people... Quote
ebenezer Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 My peavey databass combo had a processor controlled low end in the form of an excursion filter, along with a 450 watt digital amp and black widow 15 driver. This was 20 years ago!!...off topic a little I know, but how forward thinking were they! Quote
LukeFRC Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 You have no idea how exciting this amp is for me. Bergantino ip.... with whatever of his cab I want! Quote
Count Bassy Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 [quote name='fretmeister' timestamp='1422003703' post='2667542'] "Is this a problem that needs solving?" What a bizarre concept. [/quote] NOt at all: There are masses of examples out there of solutions without a problem. Quote
Merton Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 [quote name='Count Bassy' timestamp='1422059894' post='2668413'] NOt at all: There are masses of examples out there of solutions without a problem. [/quote] For example, Eden's new amp heads. They have illuminated speaker output sockets. Why, I am still trying to fathom. Quote
chris_b Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 This is Rock n Roll. Because you can is the best reason yet invented. Quote
Merton Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 [quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1422097629' post='2668623'] This is Rock n Roll. Because you can is the best reason yet invented. [/quote] sh*t, didn't think of that Quote
molan Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 Unsurprisingly Jim has been working on this for a while and, from what I understand, put in some real effort to get it finished for NAMM. We weren't allowed to say anything until it made an official debut at NAMM but, coming from Jim, you just know it's going to be good. I'm not sure he's ever made a 'bad' product. A few things have launched and fallen by the wayside, generally due to cost implications that would make them too expensive to continue with, but he seems to have set a good price on this and will have researched the market to make sure it's competitive. With a 'list' of $1,299 that would equate to about £1,050 in the UK after all shipping and duties are taken into account. Quote
51m0n Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 It will have an ae410 setting? And an ht210 + ht115 setting? Please say no....... Quote
Guest Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 [quote name='51m0n' timestamp='1422110059' post='2668793'] It will have an ae410 setting? And an ht210 + ht115 setting? Please say no....... [/quote] Quote
M@23 Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 Does look quite interesting, sure whatever it offers it will be incredibly good at. The price point is quite interesting - I wonder who the amp is designed for? Quote
chris_b Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 I would have thought that to be financially viable this amp would have to work as any other amp does, with any cab, but if the filter feature is any indication, it also has to be of specific interest to Bergantino cab owners. Quote
LukeFRC Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 [quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1422196544' post='2669721'] I would have thought that to be financially viable this amp would have to work as any other amp does, with any cab, but if the filter feature is any indication, it also has to be of specific interest to Bergantino cab owners. [/quote] im not sure the filter is the same as the dsp for speaker. Imagine this... you have a berg cab.... this amp has a hpf, eq and multiband limiting designed to get the best out of your cab.... so your cab sounds smoother deeper, fuller and so on. He already had a similar product in the ip series... and look at reviews of the sound of them! Quote
51m0n Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 I've never heard the ip series at full chat but I had ago on one at a very normal solo practice level and it was very lovely indeed... Quote
tauzero Posted January 26, 2015 Posted January 26, 2015 [quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1421919674' post='2666501'] I'm a big Berg fan, but the digital interface makes me think of those awful Ashdown abonimations. *shudder* [/quote] The front end of the Superfly was rather good. The power amp side was less well thought out and implemented. I'd really like a switchable programmable graphic/parametric EQ like the Ashdown provided. Quote
funkle Posted January 26, 2015 Posted January 26, 2015 GAS!!!! I had an IP112ER. Only sold it because of weight, sounded amazing. I now have 2 x Berg CN112s and get on fine with those. Didn't think I had amp gas at all anymore with my Streamliner 900 and Tecamp Puma 900, but...this came along...I can get the goodness of my old IP with my superlight CN112s? Sounds good to me. £1050 is a pretty steep price,of entry though... Pete Quote
51m0n Posted January 26, 2015 Posted January 26, 2015 Yeah, thats a LOT of investment into an amp, my sa450 was under £500 when I boight it (got a proce match with an online price) To be twice the amp the sa450 is wopuld take some doing to be honest. Still suffering though Quote
fretmeister Posted January 26, 2015 Author Posted January 26, 2015 They say it's going to be about 8lb. That will do! Quote
fretmeister Posted January 26, 2015 Author Posted January 26, 2015 Also "[color=#141823][font=Helvetica, Arial,]Auxiliary input, instrument input, auxiliary gain, (overload indicator in between) instrument gain, Master volume, protect indicator, clip indicator, Bass control (push for Variable High Pass Filter), Lo-Mid control (Memory 1), Hi-Mid control (Memory 2), Treble control (Bright control), Program mode, mute/tuner & USB port for software updates."[/font][/color] [color=#141823][font=Helvetica, Arial,]"[/font][/color][color=#141823][font=Helvetica, Arial,]On/Off power (world-wide auto-switching), headphone output, effects send, effect return, DI w/ Gnd lift, speakon connectors & fan. On the final version, he tuner output will be a preamp output."[/font][/color] Quote
fretmeister Posted January 26, 2015 Author Posted January 26, 2015 Swapped a few messages with Berg on FB. It appears the fan is silent and only comes on if the ambient temp is too high - and over 4 days of NAMM none of the fans came on, on the 3 prototypes that they were running. I'm starting to save up now. Quote
51m0n Posted January 26, 2015 Posted January 26, 2015 I'm getting sweaty in a very naughty place looking at this..... Quote
pantherairsoft Posted January 26, 2015 Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) It certainly doesn't look modern, but it does look like it was built to last. We know Berg make stunning DSP for power amps due to the mind blowingly good powered cabs they have out there, so I have high hopes for how this will perform. Looking forward to giving one a whirl. Edited January 26, 2015 by pantherairsoft Quote
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