funkle Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 So, NAMM is over... Anyone know when these are hitting the shops? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fretmeister Posted January 29, 2015 Author Share Posted January 29, 2015 I emailed Jim - he said May in the USA, ROW shortly after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkle Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 GAS safely averted for now then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepbass5 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 I dont see any CE mark on the back panel, Hope they haven't made the same mistake as Aguilar when anouncing the Tone hammer got me all gassed up then took a year to sort out european certs. So this could be a year May Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passinwind Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 [quote name='pantherairsoft' timestamp='1422299313' post='2670909'] It certainly doesn't look modern, but it does look like it was built to last. We know Berg make stunning DSP for power amps due to the mind blowingly good powered cabs they have out there, so I have high hopes for how this will perform. Looking forward to giving one a whirl. [/quote] I'm really looking forward to checking it out too. The IP series inspired me to roll my own amp with the same OEM power amp/DSP chip set that Jim used. For his sake, hope he used something a lot more user-friendly on the programming end this time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziphoblat Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 (edited) [quote name='Merton' timestamp='1422091662' post='2668533'] For example, Eden's new amp heads. They have illuminated speaker output sockets. Why, I am still trying to fathom. [/quote] While seemingly useless on an amp, that would actually be handy on a cabinet. Pushed into the corner of a dark stage in a rushed set-up, every little can help. Although I suppose lighting up before you plug the thing in is a bit problematic. Glow in the dark speakon ports? Edited January 30, 2015 by Ziphoblat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dood Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 [quote name='Passinwind' timestamp='1422549122' post='2673991'] I'm really looking forward to checking it out too. The IP series inspired me to roll my own amp with the same OEM power amp/DSP chip set that Jim used. For his sake, hope he used something a lot more user-friendly on the programming end this time! [/quote] I'm looking forward to trying out this amp too. I like the idea of fine tuning amp and cabinet combinations with a tweakable EQ and filters. It makes lots of sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Rock Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 [quote name='dood' timestamp='1423995086' post='2691191'] I'm looking forward to trying out this amp too. I like the idea of fine tuning amp and cabinet combinations with a tweakable EQ and filters. It makes lots of sense to me. [/quote] My Crown power amp allows you to customise filters/EQ on the computer software and then save onto the amp as presets. I haven't taken full advantage of it yet as I like it flat, but have had a play and created some notch/boom busting EQ presets. Petty cool having it in a compact integrated head though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dood Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 That's my thinking - I've an Alesis programmable EQ that I keep threatening to put in my bass 'rig' because it always ends up being really useful for the reasons you mention. Having it all in one box would be really handy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanA Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Thought I was settled with my rig, here we go again..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 [quote name='Merton' timestamp='1422091662' post='2668533'] For example, Eden's new amp heads. They have illuminated speaker output sockets. Why, I am still trying to fathom. [/quote] So you can see to plug in your amp on a dark stage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Good design decision. It's got everyone talking about Eden amps after a long time off the map. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merton Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 [quote name='discreet' timestamp='1424125484' post='2693045'] So you can see to plug in your amp on a dark stage? [/quote] That is their argument; normally I'd plug the cabs in before turning on the amp though :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepbass5 Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 (edited) So what is the difference between this amp and the similar Ashdown black box, except you cant get hold of one of these and they will be twice the price when they arrive. http://ashdownmusic.com/files/product/img/img_20130709063359_99202_thumb.png Edited February 17, 2015 by deepbass5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51m0n Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Well for one thing the clever digital bits to tailor the output of the amp to the cabinet will have been tuned by Jim Bergantino to match the output perfectly to his cabinets to absolutely maximise the effect of the amp and cab combined in each case. So it will be the first bass amp I can think of that uses DSP to tune itself to one of a range of cabs as chosen by the end user. And given the success of the IP range in achieving a remarkable sound from its cabs given their size and power handling, it promises to absolutely maximise the impact of all the modelled for cabs. I cannot begin to imagine how good an ae410 will sound with this in front of it...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 [quote name='deepbass5' timestamp='1424196952' post='2693748'] So what is the difference between this amp and the similar Ashdown black box, except you cant get hold of one of these and they will be twice the price when they arrive. [url="http://ashdownmusic.com/files/product/img/img_20130709063359_99202_thumb.png"]http://ashdownmusic....99202_thumb.png[/url] [/quote] well it will be more like 4 times the price.... but apart from them both being black.... very little. One is an exercise in producing a cheap, low spec affordable bass amp for students. the other is an exercise in producing a top end bass amp using DSP to tune it to a range of cabinets using Eq, and multi band limiting and so on... I mean what's the difference between a Citroen C1 and a Mercedes AMG GT are ostensibly both cars for driving on the road with 4 wheels... except you cant get hold of one of these and they will be twice the price when they arrive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepbass5 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 so its the Ashdown and a second hand Bass Pod then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 [quote name='deepbass5' timestamp='1424388124' post='2695938'] so its the Ashdown and a second hand Bass Pod then [/quote] I never found the ability to do that on my old Bass pod.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72deluxe Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I wonder how useful it'll be in the long run for us if we use just one cabinet for most of the time. For PAs it might make sense as they may be hooked up to different speakers on different gigs or may be rented out by companies for use with different speakers and speaker configurations in different sized venues on different nights of the same tour etc. But I am not sure how useful it'd be in a bass amp. If it has got different EQ settings for different cabinets and different crossover points etc then it'll require each speaker manufacturer giving these out and sharing them. They are really really unlikely to do this, and particularly to give Berg the settings if they're competitors; the speaker presets effectively highlight all the deficiencies in a speaker cabinet! For this reason they will likely struggle to get these settings I believe, which would make this product dead in the water, unless there are different plans? Out of interest, Funktion One do not use any speaker presets or eq to correct deficiencies in their cabinets, as far as I know. Good bit of kit, obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passinwind Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 (edited) [quote name='Roland Rock' timestamp='1421918465' post='2666479'] Any detail on the power section? [/quote] A magazine reviewer I know mentioned that it uses one of the new ICEpower 700 series modules, which are reputedly a nice step up from the earlier versions. Edit: I now have a little experience with that module myself, it's a ripper. Edited March 12, 2015 by Passinwind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepbass5 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 [quote name='deepbass5' timestamp='1422546876' post='2673963'] I dont see any CE mark on the back panel, Hope they haven't made the same mistake as Aguilar when anouncing the Tone hammer got me all gassed up then took a year to sort out european certs. So this could be a year May [/quote] Just dug this thread out started in Jan this year and was my prediction right, we havent seen this yet but still space on dealers sites waiting for it to arrive ?? creating demand is one thing, but there is also poor marketing. Anyone still waiting or have you lost interest too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkle Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 I'm still interested, though TBH it would have to be a pretty amazing amp to retire my Tecamp Puma 900, which works perfectly well with my CN112 x2. Mostly I'd like to buy these secondhand, after early purchasers do the inevitable splurge and then move on to the next new thing 6 months later, with the next new boutique amp/preamp/whatever. I'd still like to have some serious time with a Jule Monique preamp, as the most recent flavour of the last few years, but when I tried one out at moderate volumes when visiting another bassist I thought it was good, but not amazing. Might not have been the right setting though. I'm just used to the convenience of plug and play with a micro amp, I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_Bass Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 All the interest i might have (not much given the price tag) has worn off since i got the news that Jeff Genzler is back in business! Horses for courses, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tauzero Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 [quote name='funkle' timestamp='1438250725' post='2832854'] I'm still interested, though TBH it would have to be a pretty amazing amp to retire my Tecamp Puma 900, which works perfectly well with my CN112 x2. [/quote] Ditto (well, AE not CN). Don't think it's a CE issue as it's not in stock at any US dealer either, and Bergantino (other than a blog and Facebook posting) don't acknowledge its existence on their website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 I believe it's waiting for certification. If they only released it in the US they'd cause a "grey market" of unofficially imported amps all over the world, so they're waiting until they can offer a combined world wide release date. Anyway, I'm still interested. It would have to be special to retire my TH500 and Thunderfunk but I'll certainly audition it. I believe early models have been tested by people on Talkbass and they say it sounds like the IP's and then some. So it might be that special. With good used versions of my TH500 (at less than £500), and making a fantastic noise with my current cab, the price of a new Berg amp will probably be the issue for me. There was also a hint of a Barefaced amp lurking in the shadows. I'm very interested in that as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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