JTUK Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 [quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1423077901' post='2680475'] Yes but not all for the same reason. What I remember is (hopefully correctly) .. I remember the Mani thread, IIRC there were some dozy questions, lots of welcomes, not a lot useful, just, I love me Rickenbackers. Yolanda Charles probably got inundated, as I imagine Mani did. Probably a ton of PMs. Janek had too many spats and then had the piss taken excessively by tBBC. Guy P was referred to in an anecdote about telling some iffy jokes and people jumped on the bandwagon. Vail Johnson (who virtually no-one here had heard of, think I remember reading about him in '80s US guitar mags, completely forgotten about him though) made a very bold statement and got pounced on, fairly IMO but a bit too viciously. Dunno what's happened to Jerry Scheff, but he refuted HJ's neggy book review and they became friendly. Lemmy called discreet a w***er and couldn't believe the tornado-level backlash and got frightened off .. Who else has been on here? What have we learned from them? [/quote] We've learned that they don't stick around when people are keen to have a pop at them and since we are talking mere days in a few cases, who knows what they could have contributed. But I'm damn sure that anyone who plays at some of those levels could impart some knowledge that could be useful.. Its not like we know everything, that's for sure... you've only got to look at most of the threads.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidbass Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 I'm sure it's been said already somewhere on this thread that most pro players wouldn't have time to contribute! I know when I've been on tour there have been periods of up to a week where I haven't been anywhere near a computer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taunton-hobbit Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 And off it all goes again - I have no doubt that there are some very good musicians on here (& one or two 'names' hiding in the wings), but none of us should be above a discussion - this 'my way or the highway' crap is juvenile in the extreme........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted February 4, 2015 Author Share Posted February 4, 2015 [quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1423079230' post='2680510'] We've learned that they don't stick around when people are keen to have a pop at them and since we are talking mere days in a few cases, who knows what they could have contributed. But I'm damn sure that anyone who plays at some of those levels could impart some knowledge that could be useful.. Its not like we know everything, that's for sure... you've only got to look at most of the threads.. [/quote] But yes, they could impart some very useful knowledge. Given the way this thread's gone I'm not sure anyone knows [i]what[/i] though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted February 4, 2015 Author Share Posted February 4, 2015 [quote name='taunton-hobbit' timestamp='1423079493' post='2680517'] And off it all goes again - I have no doubt that there are some very good musicians on here (& one or two 'names' hiding in the wings), but none of us should be above a discussion - this 'my way or the highway' crap is juvenile in the extreme........ [/quote] Agree. But then ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) [quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1423077901' post='2680475'] Yes but not all for the same reason. What I remember is (hopefully correctly) .. I remember the Mani thread, IIRC there were some dozy questions, lots of welcomes, not a lot useful, just, I love me Rickenbackers. Yolanda Charles probably got inundated, as I imagine Mani did. Probably a ton of PMs. Janek had too many spats and then had the piss taken excessively by tBBC. Guy P was referred to in an anecdote about telling some iffy jokes and people jumped on the bandwagon. Vail Johnson (who virtually no-one here had heard of, think I remember reading about him in '80s US guitar mags, completely forgotten about him though) made a very bold statement and got pounced on, fairly IMO but a bit too viciously. Dunno what's happened to Jerry Scheff, but he refuted HJ's neggy book review and they became friendly. Lemmy called discreet a w***er and couldn't believe the tornado-level backlash and got frightened off .. Who else has been on here? What have we learned from them? [/quote] Wasn't aware of the last one, but the others are as I remember them...oh, and I've not the faintest idea who Jerry Scheff is Celeb members tend to see the site turn into the bass worlds very own Hello magazine online when it's known who they are...odd considering Edited February 4, 2015 by Marvin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted February 4, 2015 Author Share Posted February 4, 2015 [quote name='Marvin' timestamp='1423079604' post='2680521'] Celeb members tend to see the site turn into the bass worlds very own Hello magazine online when it's known who they are...odd considering [/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTUK Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 [quote name='Marvin' timestamp='1423079604' post='2680521'] Wasn't aware of the last one, but the others are as I remember them...oh, and I've not the faintest idea who Jerry Scheff is Celeb members tend to see the site turn into the bass worlds very own Hello magazine online...odd considering [/quote] or ...they tell how it is done at the very top level - and they know that because that is where they work and have done for 30 odd years-....and they get someone say that is not the way you do it... so you can imagine them thinking, who is this guy..? We aren't talking about guys who do £50 gigs here... they work the very best gigs out there. Some they may not have to even audition for, but if they did, and the word went out that so and so was auditioning, likely all the hottest guys in every muso town would be on the first plane..!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurksalot Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 I guess the top pros will get around to writing or have written a book , In am sure that everything we need to know , and a lot we don't , will be up for grabs when we need it , thus their knowledge is imparted without the need for real time interogation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Badderer Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 from the limited reading of the "Compression" threads and a couple of comments about other pro's, i think it's probably important to consider that there is a fairly big culture clash between, knowledgeable top of their game professionals from the USA (i am 100% NOT being racist!!) and the way they will be used to be treated in their natural environment, and what the majority of Basschatters are used to expressing on here. We Basschatters are used to debating and discussing, saying the wrong thing and backtracking in a polite way, or providing evidence to justify our view. These guys are highly knowledgeable professionals who are probably sat at the other end of the conversation wondering whether they should give an hour of their time to explain why their POV is right (even though most of us lack the knowledge to understand what they are saying in the case of Bill Fitzmaurice). We should take our time to investigate what they are saying rather than arguing with them. Taking the Vail Johnson situation as an example, we might see his language used as arrogant, but from his culture as a high end pro with a few decades of experience in the US music business, if he states something as fact, to him it is fact. Why should he listen to people who, whilst incredibly knowledgeable, haven't been there and done it (i am aware I am making a MASSIVE GENERALISATION so please if you have been there and done it I apologise for offending you!). Sure he maybe didn't take into account what it's like to be playing a 50-200 person gig at your local venue, but he was obviously just trying to make a point about people incorrectly using a compressor to cover up dodgy playing and if you want to "make it" then get your playing to the level that you don't have to rely on a compressor (because at some point a studio will ask you not to use a compressor and they'll find out you can't play without one). His comment was brashly stated (this is part of that culture clash, try to put yourself in the shoes of a professional recording player in Nashville), but the response seemed to assume he was saying that if you are using a compressor you can't play properly and reacted in an OTT defensive way (again MASSIVE GENERALISATION and i apologise if this offends you). I for one would prefer to hear the POV of a high end professional and spend my time researching why and how they do it that way. Obviously there are infinite ways of doing things and you have to be flexible (if you had the same set up at the Dog and Duck, and 2,000 seat arena, you'd want to have a good think about what you're doing...). I'm sure i'll have said something that annoys someone, but I only mean for this to be an encouragement to consider what it must be like for a decent pro to come and give advice and then have it questioned. They shouldn't be treated as a demi-god, but we should take the time to consider why they have said it and research why we disagree. Maybe even try out their suggestion for a few weeks and see what happens. Hope i've said this right...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 [quote name='The Badderer' timestamp='1423083418' post='2680602'] ... [/quote] There are a lot of overly pedantic keyboard warriors who should think before they post and ask for clarification before wading in to the attack. Like any forum really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Apple Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 [quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1423079547' post='2680518'] But yes, they could impart some very useful knowledge. Given the way this thread's gone I'm not sure anyone knows [i]what[/i] though. [/quote] [i]what[/i] is neither here nor there, unless you have a crystal ball, that is. Who knows what indeed we could gain, but it would be nice to have the potential to find out what is, instead of being robbed of it by the foolish who still try to justify their actions as right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 [quote name='acidbass' timestamp='1423079360' post='2680513'] I know when I've been on tour there have been periods of up to a week where I haven't been anywhere near a computer! [/quote] Or anywhere near sober either, I'm guessing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scalpy Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Like a lot of basschatters on here I have aspirations of making more music professionally and being bit of a blagger have seen the occasional glimpse of life on the pro side. I know I'm still a weekend warrior in reality but I'll share two observations. Working for a songwriting/ production team with a producer whose clients include McCartney, John Martyn and madness you realise there is no fuss. The computer goes down, no worries. The guitar sound is not right, no worries. The part the drummer comes up with isn't right, no worries. (He's played for grace Jones and sly and Robbie, he trusts his ability to come up with something else, he's put the hours in, both practising and listening) If I'm playing with that lot, it's quiet, it's relaxed and it's postive. Secondly with regards to gear. The drummer has an Audi estate full of gear, dw kit for heavy, mapex Jazz kit, two cymbal bags stuffed to the brim etc. the guitarist has a gorgeous les Paul, a baja tele and his strat is a bottom of the range squier with stock pickups and crack in the body running the entire length. When he plays it it sounds a million times better than my function bands guitarist playing his 63 strat that cost 5 figures. I take the gear in my signature and a takamine acoustic, an octave pedal and a ibanez synth pedal. If there's a problem with my sound I change pickups. If that doesn't work the problem will be my playing and the part I've come up with. Which neatly sums up both observations, playing in top flight studios with top flight people you have to be flexible, both in terms of attitude and musicianship. It's very difficult to articulate that on a forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grangur Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Nobody's mentioned Ed Freidland. Again his welcoming lasted about 3 weeks and ran to about 12 pages. He now gives live q&a sessions on the Scottsbasslessons site taking turns with others like Anthony Wellington. We do get a smattering of stupid questions though like how many basses do you have. I liked it when Anthony Wellington was asked about his EQ settings. He replied "I don't play $10,000 basses and correct the sound electronically". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 [quote name='scalpy' timestamp='1423087211' post='2680692'] It's very difficult to articulate that on a forum. [/quote] You had a fair crack at it, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted February 4, 2015 Author Share Posted February 4, 2015 [quote name='The Badderer' timestamp='1423083418' post='2680602'] from the limited reading of the "Compression" threads and a couple of comments about other pro's, i think it's probably important to consider that there is a fairly big culture clash between, knowledgeable top of their game professionals from the USA (i am 100% NOT being racist!!) and the way they will be used to be treated in their natural environment, and what the majority of Basschatters are used to expressing on here. We Basschatters are used to debating and discussing, saying the wrong thing and backtracking in a polite way, or providing evidence to justify our view. These guys are highly knowledgeable professionals who are probably sat at the other end of the conversation wondering whether they should give an hour of their time to explain why their POV is right (even though most of us lack the knowledge to understand what they are saying in the case of Bill Fitzmaurice). We should take our time to investigate what they are saying rather than arguing with them. Taking the Vail Johnson situation as an example, we might see his language used as arrogant, but from his culture as a high end pro with a few decades of experience in the US music business, if he states something as fact, to him it is fact. Why should he listen to people who, whilst incredibly knowledgeable, haven't been there and done it (i am aware I am making a MASSIVE GENERALISATION so please if you have been there and done it I apologise for offending you!). Sure he maybe didn't take into account what it's like to be playing a 50-200 person gig at your local venue, but he was obviously just trying to make a point about people incorrectly using a compressor to cover up dodgy playing and if you want to "make it" then get your playing to the level that you don't have to rely on a compressor (because at some point a studio will ask you not to use a compressor and they'll find out you can't play without one). His comment was brashly stated (this is part of that culture clash, try to put yourself in the shoes of a professional recording player in Nashville), but the response seemed to assume he was saying that if you are using a compressor you can't play properly and reacted in an OTT defensive way (again MASSIVE GENERALISATION and i apologise if this offends you). I for one would prefer to hear the POV of a high end professional and spend my time researching why and how they do it that way. Obviously there are infinite ways of doing things and you have to be flexible (if you had the same set up at the Dog and Duck, and 2,000 seat arena, you'd want to have a good think about what you're doing...). I'm sure i'll have said something that annoys someone, but I only mean for this to be an encouragement to consider what it must be like for a decent pro to come and give advice and then have it questioned. They shouldn't be treated as a demi-god, but we should take the time to consider why they have said it and research why we disagree. Maybe even try out their suggestion for a few weeks and see what happens. Hope i've said this right...... [/quote] Brilliant post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Badderer Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 [quote] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Brilliant post [/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif] [/font][/color] [/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted February 4, 2015 Author Share Posted February 4, 2015 [quote name='The Badderer' timestamp='1423091231' post='2680789'] [/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Please stop showing pictures of booze - I'm a recovering alcoholic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted February 4, 2015 Author Share Posted February 4, 2015 [quote name='discreet' timestamp='1423091602' post='2680794'] Please stop showing pictures of booze - I'm a recovering alcoholic! [/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Badderer Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 http://www.studentbeans.com/mag/en/campus/18-hilarious-places-to-pass-out-drunk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 [quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1423091742' post='2680798'] [/quote] A bowl of heroin?? What do you think you are doing?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Badderer Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 My personal favourites Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 [quote name='The Badderer' timestamp='1423091749' post='2680799'] [url="http://www.studentbeans.com/mag/en/campus/18-hilarious-places-to-pass-out-drunk"]http://www.studentbe...-pass-out-drunk[/url] [/quote] Hah! I've done at least three of those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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