UglyDog Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 What a complete & utter knob. [url="http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-31292862"]http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-31292862[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Rock Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 (edited) TBH I kind of respect someone who is willing to speak out rather than grumble in private - makes showbiz a bit more interesting anyway :-D He obviously feels passionately about it, but I disagree hugely. I see Beck as a visionary, an artist with enourmous creativity. Yes Beyoncé is talented, but I don't see a smidgen of Beck's originality in her. Edited February 9, 2015 by Roland Rock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UglyDog Posted February 9, 2015 Author Share Posted February 9, 2015 Oh yes, he obviously feels passionately, but to suggest that Beyonce and his royal self (oh sorry, it's "Ye" isn't it? [i]*barf* [/i]) are the only 'real artists' deserving of the award, while Beck is neither 'real' nor deserving? Seriously? Stratospheric arrogance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynepunkdude Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 He should be banned from being a person. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 I dig Beyonce, I never really got into Beck (I really must try). But what Kanye West said is total bollocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planer Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 [quote name='UglyDog' timestamp='1423486455' post='2685306'] Stratospheric arrogance. [/quote] He's entitled to his opinion, but mostly ^ ^ ^ this. To suggest that one artist give away his award (for what they're worth...) to another just on [i]his [/i]say-so is laughable. Why doesn't KW just run the whole thing then he can give all the awards to his buddies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynepunkdude Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 [quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1423488657' post='2685358'] I dig Beyonce, I never really got into Beck (I really must try). But what Kanye West said is total bollocks. [/quote] Beyonce is a very good pop singer and Beck leaves me a bit cold but artistically Beck is light years ahead of Beyonce. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Beck is infinitely more original than Beyonce. I'm not sure the Grammys are too concerned with originality though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 [quote name='cheddatom' timestamp='1423491900' post='2685431'] Beck is infinitely more original than Beyonce. I'm not sure the Grammys are too concerned with originality though? [/quote] Not sure originality is high on my want-list for likeable music. I think originality is highly overrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynepunkdude Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 [quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1423492431' post='2685437'] Not sure originality is high on my want-list for likeable music. I think originality is highly overrated. [/quote] But Beyonce doesn't even write, being a great performer doesn't make you a great artist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer of the Bass Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 [quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1423492431' post='2685437'] Not sure originality is high on my want-list for likeable music. I think originality is highly overrated. [/quote] Yeah, that whole originality thing has been done to death! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 [quote name='waynepunkdude' timestamp='1423492632' post='2685439'] But Beyonce doesn't even write, being a great performer doesn't make you a great artist. [/quote] I know. She is a fabulous performer and vocalist. She has a big ol production team because she's an industry. Beck is my type of musician, and he's a great performer too. Never ben that keen on what he does though. But then I detest the Beatles and the Stones, don't like the Beach Boys either .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 [quote name='Beer of the Bass' timestamp='1423492785' post='2685442'] Yeah, that whole originality thing has been done to death! [/quote] As a writer you have have to be honest with yourself. Some folks try too hard to be original. You can be highly original and still be meaningless sh*te, you know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 [quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1423492431' post='2685437'] Not sure originality is high on my want-list for likeable music. I think originality is highly overrated. [/quote] Although I'm sure you're right in terms of "likeable music", I personally love it when I'm surprised by something new, and I always strive to be at least a little weird when I'm writing music Anyway, I wasn't commenting on whether Beyonce or Beck deserved the award. God knows what criteria the judges use Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 [quote name='cheddatom' timestamp='1423493351' post='2685453'] Although I'm sure you're right in terms of "likeable music", I personally love it when I'm surprised by something new, and I always strive to be at least a little weird when I'm writing music Anyway, I wasn't commenting on whether Beyonce or Beck deserved the award. God knows what criteria the judges use [/quote] So am I Ched, but how do you know it's 'new'? It's only new to [i]you[/i], right? Like when paul h posted that Tokyo Jihen video a few years ago, it blew me away, never heard anything like it. Then you start looking at Japanese pop music and there are tons of bands doing that scene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drax Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 (edited) It's bizarre - and patronising to Beyonce. And are artists really bothered about awards? FFS even that free U2 album was nominated - there's not much integrity in the voting. If nothing else, the Kayne tantrum has made me check out Beck's album today. Edited February 9, 2015 by Drax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 (edited) [quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1423493526' post='2685456'] So am I Ched, but how do you know it's 'new'? It's only new to [i]you[/i], right?... [/quote] Yeh... define "original". I don't really want to get into that debate. I got into quite a few debates about Jean Baudrillard and simulacra and all that bollocks with my bands mates. I find it incredibly frustrating and cannot accept the notion that no art will ever be "original". Not that it's not a valid debate, just I'm so tired of it! My personal approach is to try and write what I "feel" or what's in my imagination. Then if it turns out to be a fairly straight up rock/pop song I get rid. If it turns out to be a bit weird I play it to my girlfriend and she says "It sounds like martin grech but heavier", which is a great compliment (to me) but obviously compares it to someone else... Arrgh!!! Edited February 9, 2015 by cheddatom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 [quote name='cheddatom' timestamp='1423495628' post='2685484'] Yeh... define "original". I don't really want to get into that debate. I got into quite a few debates about Jean Baudrillard and simulacra and all that bollocks with my bands mates. I find it incredibly frustrating and cannot accept the notion that no art will ever be "original". Not that it's not a valid debate, just I'm so tired of it! My personal approach is to try and write what I "feel" or what's in my imagination. Then if it turns out to be a fairly straight up rock/pop song I get rid. If it turns out to be a bit weird I play it to my girlfriend and she says "It sounds like martin grech but heavier", which is a great compliment (to me) but obviously compares it to someone else... Arrgh!!! [/quote] Yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambient Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 I just read Steve Jenkin's (American bassist, check him out), post on Facebook, this is what he said "[color=#141823][font=Helvetica, Arial,]Hearing Kanye West talk about artistry is like listening to Mitt Romney talk about poor folks".[/font][/color] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 [quote name='ambient' timestamp='1423496123' post='2685494'] I just read Steve Jenkin's (American bassist, check him out), post on Facebook, this is what he said "[color=#141823]Hearing Kanye West talk about artistry is like listening to Mitt Romney talk about poor folks".[/color] [/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambient Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 [quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1423496372' post='2685497'] [/quote] Yeah, made me smile too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Kayne West should be made to apply for a permit to be breathing oxygen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubit Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Beyoncé has her place and yes, she is a great performer, but Beck, whatever you think of his music, is an all round musician, singer, performer, if you like. He writes and performs his own material, which in my book, makes you infinitely more talented and eligible for awards than someone who sings other people's songs. Not knocking old Beyoncé , who can fair chant when she wants and can also bust a few very shapely moves, but in my mind there's no contest. Maybe I'm biased as I tend to look to the musicians side of things. Whatever the result, I think Kanye has just made himself look even more of a dick than he was previously! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chriswareham Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Kanye West reckons he's sticking it to the "white establishment" and standing up for poverty stricken black folks. He's doing it by promoting his good friend Beyonce as artistically superior to Beck. Beyonce being a multimillionaire karaoke singer who has her songs written by recognised plagiarists (Timbaland for instance). Irony much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 I`m not keen on iether of them, but do think that KW has made himself out to be a prize prat in all of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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