Froggy Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 (edited) [quote name='ubit' timestamp='1424288289' post='2694836'] I'm not saying he's talenless, just that I don't like him or his music. I like rap, as said, Cypress hill, Tupac among others. I just don't like Kanye and if someone else does, bully for them. It won't change my outlook on his talent or lack of. I do think he is over rated, but again that's down to taste. What kind of world would it be if we all liked the same things ? [/quote] I have to admit, I'm with ubit on this. I grew up listening to hip hop and the modern crop of rappers just can't hold a candle to the old MC's. The only one I think is even halfway decent is Eminem, at least he writes stuff about life, instead of just "aren't I awesome? I have loads of money/girls/cars" I get very annoyed when dj's on the radio go on about JayZ's 99 problems. I want to shake them and tell them to listen to the original version! (1993, IceT, Home Invasion). I'd rather hear the raw stuff of IceT, KRSOne, NWA etc than the over produced commercial stuff around these days. I think most rap these days, at least the stuff you'll hear about in the media, is very much in the same ilk as Simon Cowell et al, manufactured pop for the masses designed solely to make money, not music. These artists all have talent, and there's a place for it too, even one direction (just not out of my speakers). The problem with Kanye is that he seems to think his is the most valuable opinion in the world, and that he's the best thing ever, when clearly, he isn't. Edited February 18, 2015 by Froggy Quote
Rich Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 [quote name='Froggy' timestamp='1424290968' post='2694884'] I have to admit, I'm with ubit on this. I grew up listening to hip hop and the modern crop of rappers just can't hold a candle to the old MC's. The only one I think is even halfway decent is Eminem, at least he writes stuff about life, instead of just "aren't I awesome? I have loads of money/girls/cars" I get very annoyed when dj's on the radio go on about JayZ's 99 problems. I want to shake them and tell them to listen to the original version! (1993, IceT, Home Invasion). I'd rather hear the raw stuff of IceT, KRSOne, NWA etc than the over produced commercial stuff around these days. I think most rap these days, at least the stuff you'll hear about in the media, is very much in the same ilk as Simon Cowell et al, manufactured pop for the masses designed solely to make money, not music. [/quote] This. He might think he's some sort of visionary genius, but compared to the likes of Public Enemy he is a cultural, creative and intellectual minnow. Quote
LayDownThaFunk Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 [quote name='Froggy' timestamp='1424290968' post='2694884']I think most rap these days, at least the stuff you'll hear about in the media, is very much in the same ilk as Simon Cowell et al, manufactured pop for the masses designed solely to make money, not music. These artists all have talent, and there's a place for it too, even one direction (just not out of my speakers).[/quote] If you're not open to newer styles of hip-hop then you'll never like it. All those artists you mentioned were signed to a label because they were believed to be able to make money for them, something which will never change. Plenty of talented guys out there; Kendrick Lamar, ASAP Rocky, Drake, Wiz Khalifa. Quote
sharkboy Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 [quote name='ubit' timestamp='1424288289' post='2694836'] I'm not saying he's talenless, just that I don't like him or his music. I like rap, as said, Cypress hill, Tupac among others. I just don't like Kanye and if someone else does, bully for them. It won't change my outlook on his talent or lack of. I do think he is over rated, but again that's down to taste. What kind of world would it be if we all liked the same things ? [/quote] The thing is, I pretty much agree with all of this! Kanye is, IMO, undoubtedly talented, but his dickishness taints it all for me. Put it this way, if Kanye's music was a washing machine full of white clothes, then that annoying side of his personality is a red sock that has somehow crept into the drum. You just know that as soon as you switch it on, the red sock will appear in the window of the machine and ruin everything for you 😊 Quote
UglyDog Posted February 19, 2015 Author Posted February 19, 2015 [quote name='sharkboy' timestamp='1424298817' post='2695006'] if Kanye's music was a washing machine full of white clothes, then that annoying side of his personality is a red sock that has somehow crept into the drum. You just know that as soon as you switch it on, the red sock will appear in the window of the machine and ruin everything for you [/quote] This, I like Quote
chriswareham Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 [quote name='SteveK' timestamp='1424224108' post='2694143'] Indeed, for me though, it's the sampling of significant "Grooves" and "Hooks" that makes "it less valid artistically". [/quote] Yup, this is what grinds my gear about a lot of sampling. You've got a machine that can capture and manipulate sound in any way imaginable, but a talentless twunt like Kanye just samples a whole bar or two of someone elses recording. Now an outfit like Skinny Puppy or Young Gods, they know how to use a sampler creatively. Quote
lojo Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 He's a clever guy who figured out how to become commercially successful with an existing genre . But he's also the Mumford of Rap. Quote
Marvin Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 Ouch. The Mumford of rap is the most cutting comment thus far. I don't think we'll see anything harsher Quote
ubit Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 He's obviously not the sharpest sandwich in the box! Quote
EliasMooseblaster Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 [quote name='ras52' timestamp='1424419337' post='2696040'] [/quote] Christ almighty. Reading that quote makes me realise the limitation of only having one head to bang against the desk in disbelief and frustration at this potential trajectory of the developed world as a whole. Quote
UglyDog Posted February 20, 2015 Author Posted February 20, 2015 Yeah, but he's sold loads of records so he must be brilliant. Quote
Marvin Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 [quote name='UglyDog' timestamp='1424431079' post='2696190'] Yeah, but he's sold loads of records so he must be brilliant. [/quote] Absolutely. Popularity and a stack of cash = genius. The same goes for all famous minted folk. Quote
SteveK Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 Now that this thread is towards the end of its shelf-life, I'll add... Manfred Mann's Earth Band (my band of 30 years) found itself on the Kanye West track "So Appalled". Manfred's response was to take KW's track, fiddle about with it a bit, and then put it back out on his album. Recycling's good, right(?) Quote
discreet Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 [quote name='SteveK' timestamp='1424436046' post='2696266'] Manfred's response was to take KW's track, fiddle about with it a bit, and then put it back out on his album. Recycling's good, right(?) [/quote] Right! Quote
Bassman Sam Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 [quote name='SteveK' timestamp='1424436046' post='2696266'] Now that this thread is towards the end of its shelf-life, I'll add... Manfred Mann's Earth Band (my band of 30 years) found itself on the Kanye West track "So Appalled". Manfred's response was to take KW's track, fiddle about with it a bit, and then put it back out on his album. Recycling's good, right(?) [/quote] I like his style. Quote
SteveK Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 So, while some say, "Good on Kanye, speaking his mind"... it now seems that Mr West hadn't even heard Beck's album, and after hearing a track or two, said, "I bet you that album is really good". Aside from my complete indifference to his "music" and my hitherto lack of knowledge of the KW person, I am now slowly moving around to the "He's a knob" camp! Quote
discreet Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 [quote name='SteveK' timestamp='1424463314' post='2696706'] I am now slowly moving around to the "He's a knob" camp! [/quote] Me too, but quite quickly. Quote
timmo Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 Even more bizarre behaviour http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/kanye-west-throws-strop-jonathan-5241060 Quote
ubit Posted February 28, 2015 Posted February 28, 2015 I have now given the Beck album a fair few listens and can now say, is not really good, it's bloody brilliant! I would like to say thanks once again to Kanye for giving me the interest in downloading it ! Quote
ras52 Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 [quote name='LayDownThaFunk' timestamp='1425551852' post='2708427'] Anyone down Koko the other night? [/quote] I'd already downed my cocoa several hours before that... Quote
steve-bbb Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) ... and one mo' 'gain Edited March 5, 2015 by steve-bbb Quote
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