1976fenderhead Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) Hi guys, just wondering what simple and cheap pedals you can recommend to join 2 inputs into 1 output, and no switching between inputs needed. I can see Mooer, Fender... any others? Edited February 10, 2015 by 1976fenderhead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obbm Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) What do you want to add together and into what? You probably need a mixer. Edited February 10, 2015 by obbm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976fenderhead Posted February 10, 2015 Author Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) ...or ABY? (that's how I'm searching for it, I think I don't get as many results with mixer). This seems to be exactly what I'm after, but the cheaper and smaller the better. I don't even need the switch! [url="http://intl.fender.com/en-GB/accessories/pedals/fender-micro-aby-black/"]http://intl.fender.c...icro-aby-black/[/url] Edited February 10, 2015 by 1976fenderhead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 ABY is usually used to send one signal to two outputs, rather than the other way around. If you're using it the other way around you may as well solder two jack leads to one jack. I think you'd probably have some issues trying to level out the two signals, but if both signals are coming from buffered pedals with volume controls on them, you should be OK. It's worth a try Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976fenderhead Posted February 10, 2015 Author Share Posted February 10, 2015 Hmmm but the Fender pedal above and for example the common Morley ABY advertise combining two signals into 1... Not advisable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obbm Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 From what you are saying you just want to sum two signal together. This is just like adding left and right to make a mono. You can do thsi very simply with a couple of resistors as long as the two signals are of similar amplitude. If not then you need to add a level (gain/attentuator) in each path which turns it into a very simple mixer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976fenderhead Posted February 10, 2015 Author Share Posted February 10, 2015 [quote name='obbm' timestamp='1423570023' post='2686375'] What do you want to add together and into what? You probably need a mixer. [/quote] Join 2 different signal paths of effects and send to the same amp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976fenderhead Posted February 10, 2015 Author Share Posted February 10, 2015 [quote name='obbm' timestamp='1423571163' post='2686388'] From what you are saying you just want to sum two signal together. This is just like adding left and right to make a mono. You can do thsi very simply with a couple of resistors as long as the two signals are of similar amplitude. If not then you need to add a level (gain/attentuator) in each path which turns it into a very simple mixer. [/quote] But wouldn't these pedals do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) [quote name='1976fenderhead' timestamp='1423571095' post='2686386'] Hmmm but the Fender pedal above and for example the common Morley ABY advertise combining two signals into 1... Not advisable? [/quote] It's not that it's not advisable, I'd just guess that the results would be unpredictable, but more importantly uncontrollable. However, if your two signals are coming from pedals with volume controls, you can use these as your mixer controls EDIT: I used to use one of these for this, using two chains of pedals, each with an "always on" at the end of the chain Edited February 10, 2015 by cheddatom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976fenderhead Posted February 10, 2015 Author Share Posted February 10, 2015 [quote name='cheddatom' timestamp='1423571326' post='2686394'] However, if your two signals are coming from pedals with volume controls, you can use these as your mixer controls [/quote] Yes, that would be the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obbm Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) [quote name='1976fenderhead' timestamp='1423571275' post='2686393'] But wouldn't these pedals do it? [/quote] Of course they would but you said smaller and cheaper. A passive mixer can be made using 2 resistors, 3 jack plugs and some cable. You don't get cheaper than that, and a minimal footprint. Edited February 10, 2015 by obbm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976fenderhead Posted February 10, 2015 Author Share Posted February 10, 2015 [quote name='obbm' timestamp='1423571533' post='2686401'] Of course they would but you said smaller and cheaper. A passive mixer can be made using 2 resistors, 3 jack plugs and some cable. You don't get cheaper than that. [/quote] Can be made, but not by me. Can you do it? How many pesos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976fenderhead Posted February 10, 2015 Author Share Posted February 10, 2015 [quote name='cheddatom' timestamp='1423571326' post='2686394'] It's not that it's not advisable, I'd just guess that the results would be unpredictable, but more importantly uncontrollable. However, if your two signals are coming from pedals with volume controls, you can use these as your mixer controls EDIT: I used to use one of these for this, using two chains of pedals, each with an "always on" at the end of the chain [/quote] I remembering reading somewhere long ago about this kind of combiner plug weakening the signals somehow, can't remember why... not the case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 I think obbm is the guy to answer that. If your two signals are out of phase that would certainly weaken the signal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obbm Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 [quote name='cheddatom' timestamp='1423571826' post='2686412'] I think obbm is the guy to answer that. If your two signals are out of phase that would certainly weaken the signal [/quote] If there is a phase difference between the two signals then there can either be a reduction in level or in the worst case a total cancellation of the fundamental. All you can do is try it and see what happens. Have to stop now. I'm sure some others will be along soon to advise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannybuoy Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) Those adapters can work but since the inputs are not buffered and connected directly to each other, it can sometimes produce strange results depending on the pedals in question. Worth a try though. By the way, any blender pedal can be used to combine 2 signals - just plug into the input and return, ignoring the send. I'd recommend one of these since not only will you have the possibility of a phase switch, but you can also repurpose it as a standard wet/dry blend at a later date when you next have different ideas and change your pedalboard. Edited February 10, 2015 by dannybuoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skankdelvar Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) If you want to send only one signal at a time then an ABY or an AB is the best option. But if you [i]don't[/i] want to switch between the two signals but instead wish to combine them then you're 'mixing'. If you're not worried about the unpredictable effects (example turning one signal down turns the other one up) then a Y cable (see below) would do the job and probably cheaper than an ABY pedal which will cause the same problems. As for 'weakening' the signal, that often occurs when you use a y-cable to split [i]one[/i] signal to [i]two[/i] amps rather than combining two signals into one amp. Or for a mere £14.99 you can get a [url="http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/prosound-4-channel-mono-mixer-my95d"]four in / one out mixer from Maplins[/url] which would probably be a lot easier easier than dicking around onstage trying to balance the signals with the instruments' output level controls. Edited February 10, 2015 by skankdelvar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976fenderhead Posted February 10, 2015 Author Share Posted February 10, 2015 Great tips guys, thanks a lot for the help so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyquipment Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Why not just use an LS2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976fenderhead Posted February 10, 2015 Author Share Posted February 10, 2015 [quote name='tonyquipment' timestamp='1423590634' post='2686757'] Why not just use an LS2? [/quote] May come to that, but I'd like smaller, cheaper and simpler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyquipment Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 The mini mixer is a good way to go. Though it can be quite noisy. So for that I would use a tried and tested / reliable way and go with the LS2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976fenderhead Posted February 10, 2015 Author Share Posted February 10, 2015 Has anyone tried the Behringer version of the LS2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Edwards69 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) I use a a boss ls2 for this purpose. Y cables, and stereo to mono adaptors are not advisable - often, one signal will completely over power the other. Use an active mixer, such as the ls2 and you will have absolutely no problems. For something smaller, Dave Hall makes a micro blender pedal that can be used as a 2 channel mixer http://www.davehallamps.co.uk/page13.html Edited February 15, 2015 by Greg Edwards69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_5 Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 (edited) I made a small 4 channel mixer (one for bass, two for L+R inputs from iPod, one as a spare) prior to using the DHA VT1-DI EQ, and that did everything I needed it to. There's a simple 2 channel veroboard layout here: [url="http://www.tagboardeffects.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/2-channel-mixer.html"]http://www.tagboarde...nnel-mixer.html[/url] You could probably make it for less than £10 all in, it'd be fairly small too. Edited February 16, 2015 by paul_5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanFold Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) Palmer Duetto. High quality stuff they do. No signal loss. thinking about getting one myself. They advertise it as 2 guitars into one amp, but I'm thinking about adding it somewhere in my effect chain. They told me it will work without phase issues. You might get this if you use simple Y cables (along with a crapy signal). Unfortunately, something this simple, you don't wanna cheap out on. Or your signal will really suffer. Edited February 19, 2015 by DanFold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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