Paul Mcartney bass playing.

[Huge Hands]

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1425574900' post='2708765']
Do I make assumptions about people and patronize?

[i]"Yes, under certain circumstances and situations with certain people"[/i]

It's really great that you recognized,acknowledged and studied Beatles history, however I think your the minority. Most (not all) of your generation dismiss The Beatles as old peoples music and don't think any further.

Much Respect

Blue
[/quote]

I guess I'm one of those "certain people" then....

I'm sorry, but I still don't buy it. My dad is 70 this year and therefore was in the UK at the "right time" as you would say. Even though he "was there" he never really liked the Beatles - he was much more of a Dylan and Robert Johnson fan, so I never really heard it growing up. It was a classmate at school who turned me on to the likes of the Beatles, Cream, Jimi Hendrix etc. We found all this out by borrowing tapes and the new fangled CD's from the local library and playing them to death when my dad was out of the house - and other kids would come around too. Yes, there would be kids that would say it was boring and old farts music, but there were plenty that liked it too.

Thanks to my mother, I always had a love of soul and disco, but it was only thanks to the internet about 18 years ago that I was able to confirm my suspicions that all of my favourite Motown tracks were all played by the same bass player - the genius that was Jamerson. If I remember correctly, I'm fairly sure that he was recording fantastic bass lines on tracks before McCartney ever became famous, so perhaps the bass guitar would have still caught on without him?

What I'm trying to say is that you can't generalise and predict what kids will listen to. I have learned that a lot from my 5 year old son. His current favourite track is an obscure minor NuSoul hit that happened to shuffle itself onto my car stereo one day. I wouldn't have thought of that at all, especially as it's not that melodic.

I don't doubt you believe that you are the most dedicated Beatles fan ever, but I find it a bit closed minded of you to try and convince us all that without the Beatles, music wouldn't have happened....and that is coming from a Beatles fan!

As others have said, if you'd been in the UK in the 90's, you'd have had to put up with Oasis and Noel Gallagher constantly blathering on about how great he was. However, one thing he did do was constantly tell the nations kids how fantastic the Beatles were (even if it was because he was trying to say he'd be just as great if not greater!)

Sorry Blue, not trying to start a fight with you, just voicing my opinion! Much respect to you too!

Edited March 5, 2015 by Huge Hands

[blue]

[quote name='Cairobill' timestamp='1425581763' post='2708855']
Yep - I came up through Britpop and the level of obsession over the way The Beatles wrote, recorded and lived their lives through their many phases of evolution was something to witness.
[/quote]

Yeah, and for me and others a lot of it was timing. I think I was 9 or 10 years old when my Dad purchased [i]"Meet The Beatles"[/i] & [i]"Something New"[/i] for me. Which was amazing because he was WW II vet and a big *swing band guy.

It was around 1964 and we were living in Southern Spain. So here I was this American kid living in Southern Spain, not much if any TV or radio. All I had were these Beatle records, a bag of marbles ( good ones ) stacks of comic books and a pair of cowboy boots. Those were the days!

My point, if you were 9 or 10 in 1964 it was the perfect age to become a fan.

Blue

* When my Dad talked about Glen Miller, Benny Goodman, Count Basie, Duke Ellington and others, I listened to him. When I talk to my kids about The Beatles, they blow me off.

Edited March 5, 2015 by blue

[blue]

[quote name='Huge Hands' timestamp='1425592758' post='2709001']
I guess I'm one of those "certain people" then....

I'm sorry, but I still don't buy it. My dad is 70 this year and therefore was in the UK at the "right time" as you would say. Even though he "was there" he never really liked the Beatles - he was much more of a Dylan and Robert Johnson fan, so I never really heard it growing up. It was a classmate at school who turned me on to the likes of the Beatles, Cream, Jimi Hendrix etc. We found all this out by borrowing tapes and the new fangled CD's from the local library and playing them to death when my dad was out of the house - and other kids would come around too. Yes, there would be kids that would say it was boring and old farts music, but there were plenty that liked it too.

Thanks to my mother, I always had a love of soul and disco, but it was only thanks to the internet about 18 years ago that I was able to confirm my suspicions that all of my favourite Motown tracks were all played by the same bass player - the genius that was Jamerson. If I remember correctly, I'm fairly sure that he was recording fantastic bass lines on tracks before McCartney ever became famous, so perhaps the bass guitar would have still caught on without him?

What I'm trying to say is that you can't generalise and predict what kids will listen to. I have learned that a lot from my 5 year old son. His current favourite track is an obscure minor NuSoul hit that happened to shuffle itself onto my car stereo one day. I wouldn't have thought of that at all, especially as it's not that melodic.

I don't doubt you believe that you are the most dedicated Beatles fan ever, but I find it a bit closed minded of you to try and convince us all that without the Beatles, music wouldn't have happened....and that is coming from a Beatles fan!

As others have said, if you'd been in the UK in the 90's, you'd have had to put up with Oasis and Noel Gallagher constantly blathering on about how great he was. However, one thing he did do was constantly tell the nations kids how fantastic the Beatles were (even if it was because he was trying to say he'd be just as great if not greater!)

Sorry Blue, not trying to start a fight with you, just voicing my opinion! Much respect to you too!
[/quote]

No it's perfectly cool, and I'm guilty as charged. I get where your coming from. I know that I broad stroke and generalize. However it was such an exciting magical time historically, it's gone it will never happen again. I miss it.

Again, you seem informed and well versed.

Cool and much respect

Blue

Edited March 5, 2015 by blue

[Hobbayne]

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1425595337' post='2709032']
Yeah, and for me and others a lot of it was timing. I think I was 9 or 10 years old when my Dad purchased [i]"Meet The Beatles"[/i] & [i]"Something New"[/i] for me. Which was amazing because he was WW II vet and a big *swing band guy.
[/quote]

I have never heard of those albums?
They are not on this list either. Are they bootlegs?
http://www.dmbeatles.com/discography.php?category=1

[Dad3353]

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1425596132' post='2709039']
No it's perfectly cool, and I'm guilty as charged. I get where your coming from. I know that I broad stroke and generalize. However it was such an exciting magical time historically, it's gone it will never happen again. I miss it...
[/quote]

Nicely put, Blue; respect.
Yes, we are many (maybe every generation..? I don't know...) that lived through some kind of 'golden age' or another, and would wish it back, or, at least, the good side we like to remember. There's a Crosby, Stills & Nash song which sums up my sentiments on that whole period... 'It's been a long time coming; it's going to be a long time gone.'
([i]Sighs wistfully and shakes his head sadly, with a rueful smile[/i]...)

[Dad3353]

[quote name='Hobbayne' timestamp='1425596415' post='2709044']
I have never heard of those albums?
They are not on this list either. Are they bootlegs?
[url="http://www.dmbeatles.com/discography.php?category=1"]http://www.dmbeatles....php?category=1[/url]
[/quote]

[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meet_the_Beatles!"]Meet The Beatles ...[/url]

[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Something_New_%28album%29"]Something New ...[/url]

[blue]

[quote name='Hobbayne' timestamp='1425596415' post='2709044']
I have never heard of those albums?
They are not on this list either. Are they bootlegs?
[url="http://www.dmbeatles.com/discography.php?category=1"]http://www.dmbeatles....php?category=1[/url]
[/quote]

An example of the generation gap. I didn't know if you were joking or not.

Here's the info, and neither [i]"Meet The Beatles"[/i] or [i]"Something New"[/i] are bootlegs, far from it;

[b][i]Meet the Beatles![/i][/b] [b][i]was [/i][/b]the second [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beatles"]Beatles[/url] album released in the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States"]United States[/url]. It was the first US Beatles album to be issued by [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Records"]Capitol Records[/url], on 20 January 1964 in both [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monaural"]mono[/url] and [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereo"]stereo[/url] formats. It topped the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_200"]popular album chart[/url] on 15 February 1964 and remained at number one for eleven weeks.


[i][b]Something New[/b][/i] was [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beatles"]the Beatles[/url]' third [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Records"]Capitol[/url] LP release, but fifth American album following the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Artists"]United Artists[/url] release of [i][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Hard_Day%27s_Night_%28album%29#North_American_release"]A Hard Day's Night[/url][/i]. This album includes eight songs from the original British release of [i]A Hard Day's Night[/i], as well as the remaining tracks *"[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slow_Down_%28Larry_Williams_song%29"]Slow Down[/url]" and "[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matchbox_%28song%29"]Matchbox[/url]" from the [i][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Tall_Sally_%28EP%29"]Long Tall Sally[/url][/i] [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_play"]EP[/url] and the German-language version of "[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Want_to_Hold_Your_Hand"]I Want to Hold Your Hand[/url]". It was released in [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monaural"]mono[/url] and [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereo"]stereo[/url], and all mono mixes of the five songs duplicated from the United Artists soundtrack album are the same. This was the first Capitol Beatles album with all of the tracks in "true" stereo. The mono release contains alternative versions of "[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Any_Time_At_All"]Any Time At All[/url]" (a different mix during the instrumental bridge), "[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%27ll_Cry_Instead"]I'll Cry Instead[/url]" (with the "missing" third verse), "[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_I_Get_Home"]When I Get Home[/url]" (the line "Till I walk out that door again" during the song's bridge has a different vocal passage from the UK mono mix), and "[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_I_Love_Her"]And I Love Her[/url]" (McCartney's non-double-tracked vocal).

Blue

* Couldn't resist posting this Yankee cover of The Beatles [i]"Slow Down"[/i]
If you watch the whole clip, you will see that it's no longer Politically Correct.

[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs6oc7hR6vM"]https://www.youtube....h?v=gs6oc7hR6vM[/url]

Edited March 6, 2015 by blue

[Hobbayne]

Im not joking. Those albums were realesed in the UK as 'With the Beatles' and 'Hard days Night'. It seems they were re packaged for the USA market

[lojo]

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1425496903' post='2707967']
Unfortunately I can't imagine anyone under 50 actually 60 appreciating or understanding the film.
[/quote]

Im 46 and as a teenager in the early 80s I got beaten up for wearing a Wings badge, no youth culture at the time would have had wings down as cool, but I appreciated McCartney's playing even then. Im sure there are plenty or music and art fans in the teens and 20s even now who are embracing this stuff. Give people a little more credit my friend.

[socrates]

don't think anyone has mentioned this yet:
[url="http://www.musicradar.com/news/bass/paul-mccartneys-12-greatest-beatles-bass-performances-509352"]http://www.musicrada...ormances-509352[/url]

Has some nice analysis and links to all the songs in one place. My favorite bit, on Michelle:
Remarkably, the smooth and silky bassline which serves as a poetic counterpoint to the guitar chords, riding lightly off of Starr's hi-hat, was thought up in the studio on the spot.
"I never would have played Michelle on bass until I had to record the bass line," McCartney revealed to Bass Player magazine in 1995. "Bass isn't an instrument you sit around and sing to."

Edited March 6, 2015 by socrates

[spectoremg]

There are lots of permutations of Beatles that were released here, there and everywhere (great idea for a song title ).

[Colonel36]

Here you go "Blue". 2 birds with one stone.

You're not going to get a better chance than this:

http://www.nme.com/news/paul-mccartney/83295


He's playing Liverpool Echo Arena on May 28th....This is big news in Liverpool and big scramble for tickets.

Go on..............You know you should.

[mike257]

blue, If you make it to Liverpool, we'll grab a beer. There's a thriving Beatles tourism industry here so you'd find plenty to enjoy, although there's much more to the place too. I recently worked with The Shakers, one of The Cavern Club's house bands and they nail that early Merseybeat vibe better than pretty much any other band I've seen attempt it, sure you'd love them.

[blue]

[quote name='Hobbayne' timestamp='1425632293' post='2709158']
Im not joking. Those albums were realesed in the UK as 'With the Beatles' and 'Hard days Night'. It seems they were re packaged for the USA market
[/quote]

Yes, that was news to me.

Interesting, I didn't put 2 and 2 together to see that [b]"Something New[/b]" was the fifth American album following the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Artists"]United Artists[/url] release of [i][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Hard_Day%27s_Night_%28album%29#North_American_release"]A Hard Day's Night[/url][/i]. This album includes eight songs from the original British release of [i]A Hard Day's Night[/i], as well as the remaining tracks *"[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slow_Down_%28Larry_Williams_song%29"]Slow Down[/url]" and "[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matchbox_%28song%29"]Matchbox[/url]" from the [i][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Tall_Sally_%28EP%29"]Long Tall Sally[/url][/i] [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_play"]EP[/url] and the German-language version of "[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Want_to_Hold_Your_Hand"]I Want to Hold Your Hand[/url]".

Cool album covers on both. [i]"Hard Days Night" [/i]very artsy and [i]"Something New"[/i] so modern looking and I don't think I've seen a band look so classy since..

Thanks

blue

Edited March 6, 2015 by blue

[blue]

[quote name='lojo' timestamp='1425640756' post='2709265']
Im 46 and as a teenager in the early 80s I got beaten up for wearing a Wings badge, no youth culture at the time would have had wings down as cool, but I appreciated McCartney's playing even then. Im sure there are plenty or music and art fans in the teens and 20s even now who are embracing this stuff. Give people a little more credit my friend.
[/quote]

I see your point and I would love to give people more credit. However, I still maintain that most youngsters have little to no interest in The Beatles or their legacy.

I'm a Wings fan too, however, Wings were not The Beatles.

Much Respect

Blue

[Coilte]

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1425677014' post='2709743']
. However, I still maintain that most youngsters have little to no interest in The Beatles or their legacy.[/quote]

You really are generalizing here. On what do you base this knowledge ? I assume you mean most youngsters [u]that you know....[/u]
That's fair enough.

FWIW, the majority of youngsters I know, [i]are[/i] interested in the Beatles.

[blue]

[quote name='Coilte' timestamp='1425680731' post='2709794']
You really are generalizing here. On what do you base this knowledge ? I assume you mean most youngsters [u]that you know....[/u]
That's fair enough.

FWIW, the majority of youngsters I know, [i]are[/i] interested in the Beatles.
[/quote]

Fair enough, The majority of the youngsters (musicians) I know have no interest in The Beatles.

Much Respect

Blue

[blue]

[quote name='mike257' timestamp='1425651030' post='2709397']
blue, If you make it to Liverpool, we'll grab a beer. There's a thriving Beatles tourism industry here so you'd find plenty to enjoy, although there's much more to the place too. I recently worked with The Shakers, one of The Cavern Club's house bands and they nail that early Merseybeat vibe better than pretty much any other band I've seen attempt it, sure you'd love them.
[/quote]

Sounds very cool to me.

Blue

[lojo]

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1425677014' post='2709743']
I'm a Wings fan too, however, Wings were not The Beatles.
[/quote]

I realise that, but thread is about McCartneys bass playing so that's why I brought up Wings.

I do get where your coming from, the Beatles will most likely go in and out of Fashion with youth cultures , and become part of history, just like the original recorded Jazz artists there will always be a fan base but it won't be at the forefront of youth culture.

Over recent years , most the teens I've known have looked back and admired The Chilli peppers in the way we did the Beatles , Stones etc .

[wateroftyne]

Wings: the band the Beatles could have been.

[blue]

[quote name='lojo' timestamp='1425713389' post='2709914']
I realise that, but thread is about McCartneys bass playing so that's why I brought up Wings.

I do get where your coming from, the Beatles will most likely go in and out of Fashion with youth cultures , and become part of history, just like the original recorded Jazz artists there will always be a fan base but it won't be at the forefront of youth culture.

Over recent years , most the teens I've known have looked back and admired The Chilli peppers in the way we did the Beatles , Stones etc .
[/quote]

I know how I admire The Beatles, they created mass hysteria and frenzy wherever they went. So are you saying The Peppers had the same global mass appeal and impact on popular music as The Beatles?

Apologies to the OP as we have gotten off topic. Not unusual when McCartney or the Beatles are concerned.

I have nothing against The Peppers. However, I am not sure how many true blue Beatles fans participate in this forum, I wonder if I'm the only one that wonders how the Chilli Peppers could be mentioned in the same sentence with The Beatles or The Stones.


Blue

Edited March 8, 2015 by blue

[blue]

[quote name='lojo' timestamp='1425713389' post='2709914']
I realise that, but thread is about McCartneys bass playing so that's why I brought up Wings.

I do get where your coming from, the Beatles will most likely go in and out of Fashion with youth cultures , and become part of history.
[/quote]

Become a part of history? The Beatles IMO are and will always be at the top of and play the biggest role in the history of pop music.

Blue

[Dad3353]

There are those that revere Bach or Mozart (or both..?); I'm led to believe there is even a certain following of one E. Presley. There are other 'idols' out there; there's nothing inherently sacred about any of them, except in the perception of the devotee. No great shakes, and quite normal. What is less normal is the failure to understand that these feelings are both shared by many others, but for different 'idols', and equally that this idolatry is not transmissible. Who 'made it all happen' and when is a sterile moot point, destined to not push any envelopes, but can cause unnecessary grief. We're a funny ol' lot, aren't we..?

[blue]

[quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1425714366' post='2709921']
Wings: the band the Beatles could have been.
[/quote]

If there were no Beatles there would never have been Wings, IMO.

Blue

Edited March 7, 2015 by blue

[blue]

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1425757748' post='2710495']
There are those that revere Bach or Mozart (or both..?); I'm led to believe there is even a certain following of one E. Presley. There are other 'idols' out there; there's nothing inherently sacred about any of them, except in the perception of the devotee. No great shakes, and quite normal. What is less normal is the failure to understand that these feelings are both shared by many others, but for different 'idols', and equally that this idolatry is not transmissible. Who 'made it all happen' and when is a sterile moot point, destined to not push any envelopes, but can cause unnecessary grief. We're a funny ol' lot, aren't we..?
[/quote]

I guess, I'm just speaking about my personal opinion and perception.

I have nothing against The Chilli Peppers, however I'm having a tough time making any kind of musical connection between The Beatles or Stones with The Chilli Peppers. But that's just me.

Blue

Edited March 7, 2015 by blue