Just came across it and thought it interesting.

[ambient]

How wrong though.

Edited March 3, 2015 by ambient

[leftybassman392]

440Hz is not universally agreed on as the standard. It can vary surprisingly widely depending on where you are and what you're playing.

[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A440_%28pitch_standard%29"]http://en.wikipedia....tch_standard%29[/url]

Edited March 2, 2015 by leftybassman392

[skankdelvar]

The article cited by m'learned friend above notes [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concert_pitch#Current_concert_pitches"]the regional variations[/url] in concert pitch even within Europe. This was brought home to me most forcibly during the Rosenkavalier sessions of 1956 when Von Karajan pulled me up over my use of A440.

'Mein Herr!' cried the old Nazi, brandishing his baton. 'I am accustomed to A443 rather than your Anglo-American A440. Please be so good as to oblige me by tuning [i]up[/i] to the German standard.'

'Of course, Maestro,' I replied. 'Deutschland uber alles, I suppose?'

We later became the firmest of friends and no man wept more at his funeral than I.

[Jazzneck]

Gott in Himmel Skank, es tut mir leid.
Aber, ich denke das A443 ist zwischen Newnham Bridge und Worcester, nicht war?
Close enough for jazz, though.

[ambient]

Yeah, I'd read that it varied amongst orchestras depending where they were based. I've heard them tuning to the oboe many times when I've seen classical concerts.

[Mr Arkadin]

Oh not this again. Does the Internet rounds every few months. You only have to use your brain for a millisecond to realise what rot this is.

[gelfin]

First I've heard of it.

[ambient]

[quote name='Mr Arkadin' timestamp='1425329601' post='2706312']
Oh not this again. Does the Internet rounds every few months. You only have to use your brain for a millisecond to realise what rot this is.
[/quote]

I don't think it's rot.

It sounds and feels different, nice.

[skankdelvar]

[quote name='Jazzneck' timestamp='1425328185' post='2706283']
Gott in Himmel Skank, es tut mir leid. Aber, ich denke das A443 ist zwischen Newnham Bridge und Worcester, nicht war?
[/quote]

Quite so. Back in 1933 I took a charabanc trip out that way with my old pal Sir Edward Elgar. He was getting on in years by then and viewed every missed opportunity as his last. At one point we sped past the B4204 junction to Martley. 'Oh,' he said wistfully. 'I'd rather wanted to visit Martley Court. I suppose it's too late now'.

'Don't worry,' I quipped. 'You may be Elgar now but you'll be Bach one day.'

How we laughed.

Edited March 2, 2015 by skankdelvar

[gelfin]

[quote name='Mr Arkadin' timestamp='1425329601' post='2706312']
Oh not this again. Does the Internet rounds every few months. You only have to use your brain for a millisecond to realise what rot this is.
[/quote]

It would be nice if you explained your point. It may help some of us understand what's what.

[pfretrock]

[quote name='ambient' timestamp='1425330884' post='2706341']
I don't think it's rot.

It sounds and feels different, nice.
[/quote]
The physics of vibrating strings tells me your tension will be 96.4% of what it was at 440. Does not seem like much but I'll try it. Knowing my luck floppy strings will give me fret buzz on my uneven frets

[Jazzneck]

And the French A442. Debussy not the charabanc, Skank.

[attachment=185383:alpine-a442-03.jpg]

Edited March 2, 2015 by Jazzneck

[Mr Arkadin]

432Hz is often cited as some mystic frequency.

The proof ranges from the resonant frequency of the earth divided by the diameter or some such nonsense. Also some Buddist temple somewhere has 432 statues and the ratio of the pyramids is 432, the Moon figures in somewhere. All sorts of cobblers.

I thought everyone had seen this nonsense by now.

The problem is none of the so-called maths works. Here's a link to the typical bollocks that accompanies 432Hz:

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/12/21/heres-why-you-should-convert-your-music-to-432hz/

Further, 440Hz is cited as 'impure' and leading the stressful feelings and the Nazis pushed for its standardisation, no doubt to upset everyone and win the war.

Edited March 2, 2015 by Mr Arkadin

[ambient]

[quote name='Mr Arkadin' timestamp='1425332512' post='2706370']
432Hz is often cited as some mystic frequency.

The proof ranges from the resonant frequency of the earth divided by the diameter or some such nonsense. Also some Buddist temple somewhere has 432 statues and the ratio of the pyramids is 432, the Moon figures in somewhere. All sorts of cobblers.

I thought everyone had seen this nonsense by now.

The problem is none of the so-called maths works. Here's a link to the typical bollocks that accompanies 432Hz:

[url="http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/12/21/heres-why-you-should-convert-your-music-to-432hz/"]http://www.collectiv...music-to-432hz/[/url]

Further, 440Hz is cited as 'impure' and leading the stressful feelings and the Nazis pushed for its standardisation, no doubt to upset everyone and win the war.
[/quote]

To be totally honest, I hadn't heard any of that. My tutor at uni mentioned it briefly last year, just saying that a lot of people thought it was a more 'natural tuning'.

Then a friend posted a link to something similar last week.

Neither my tutor nor my friend mentioned anything 'mystical'.

[skankdelvar]

[quote name='Jazzneck' timestamp='1425332321' post='2706367']
And the French A442. Debussy not the charabanc, Skank.
[/quote]

Nice work, sir. Just the ticket.

Some may scoff at the mystical power of A432 but it is a matter of record that the shadowy [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schiller_Institute"]Schiller Institute[/url] has long promoted A432 under the nomenclatural guise of the '[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche#1989:_Musical_interests_and_Verdi_tuning_initiative"]Verdi tuning[/url]', claiming that the great Italian composer favoured A432 as the most natural frequency.

Few realise that The Schiller Institute is closely tied to Mr [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche"]Lyndon Larouche[/url], a political thinker, private intelligence contractor and convicted criminal whose organisation was alleged to have links to the FBI, the US Intelligence community, Soviet Russia (as it was) and Neo-Nazi groups including the KKK.

Mr Larouche's view of modern music is somewhat jaded:

"[i]Rock was not an accidental thing. This was done by people who set out in a deliberate way to subvert the United States. It was done by British intelligence[/i]." He also wrote that the Beatles were "[i]a product shaped according to British Psychological Warfare Division specifications[/i]."

Against this background the casual observer may wonder whether the Verdi tuning initiative draws in any way upon the musicological aspects of Himmler's SS [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahnenerbe"]Ahnenerbe[/url] project - notably the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahnenerbe#Institutes"][i]Institut fur Indogermanisch-deutsche Musik[/i][/url]. Either way, the A432 Verdi tuning excited sufficient interest as to attract the support of numerous operatic luminaries including Pavarotti and Domingo.

Edited March 2, 2015 by skankdelvar

[Mr Arkadin]

Told you the Nazis would figure in there somewhere, they always do.

The Beatles as WMD, genius stuff.

Edited March 2, 2015 by Mr Arkadin

[juliusmonk]

I think Prince also mentioned something about it recently, that all music should be in 432 - the mystic thing etc.

[xilddx]

[quote name='Mr Arkadin' timestamp='1425332512' post='2706370']

[s]Further[/s] Führer, 440Hz is cited as 'impure' and leading the stressful feelings and the Nazis pushed for its standardisation, no doubt to upset everyone and win the war.
[/quote]

fixed

[tonybassplayer]

I think Brian Clough preferred 442 or was that Alex Ferguson ??

[skankdelvar]

[quote name='Mr Arkadin' timestamp='1425336058' post='2706410']
Told you the Nazis would figure in there somewhere, they always do.
[/quote]

The International Conference which established A440 took place in London in May 1939. Coincidence? Or prescient knowledge of the impending cataclysm? Enigma intercepts suggested that Nazi Germany would adopt A432 as a mystic 'bolster' for its ambitions.

The USA had established A440 as standard in 1935. British support for 440hz in 1939 paved the way for lend-lease, D-Day and eventual victory over the tyrant. Upon such small hinges does the door of fate turn.


[size=3][b]Dateline 1940:[/b] Goebbels hums 432hz during an orchestral 'indoctrination ritual'.[/size]

Concert pitch provoked sharp divisions of opinion among the Nazi elite. Goebbels and Himmler favoured A432, whereas Goering instructed the Luftwaffe to pursue experiments with A444.

By contrast the Kriegsmarine followed Donitz's lead and equipped U-Boats with transmitters keyed to A448. The army's insistence on A436 compounded an intolerable clash between the services; the outcome was confusion, incompatibility, irredeemable defeat in the cauldron of Stalingrad and the eventual dismemberment of the Thousand Year Reich.
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Edited March 2, 2015 by skankdelvar

[juliusmonk]

That's exactly what happened, or so I have been told

[skankdelvar]

[quote name='juliusmonk' timestamp='1425342951' post='2706457']
That's exactly what happened, or so I have been told
[/quote]

Quite so.



It is also a fact that the circular Gathering Chamber at Himmler's Wewelsburg Castle (pictured above) was acoustically tuned to A432. When his latterday Teutonic SS Knights met in conclave they would chant the old Germanic song [i]Nie Werde Dich Aufgeben[/i].

The overtones thus created are claimed to induce a hallucinatory beserker rage. Those possessed of a strong mind and iron self-control can hear a reproduction [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ"]here[/url]

[juliusmonk]

Very true. It has also been reported that a similar effect was recenty achieved by Lady Gaga, but the overtones in question were withdrawn from itunes by Obama's office and replaced by a complimentary U2 record. She was last seen in the outskirts of Heidelberg, so not all is lost.

[cytania]

What a load of b*ll*cks this A432 business really is. Standard pitch is a modern concern based around accurate measures of pitch. In Verdi's time music was prone to pitch creep. Orchestra's would gradually tune sharper and sharper because it gave an impression of louder, more gripping music. Over the decades this got so bad that string players found the necks of their instruments bowing and their gut strings snapped!

Mythical golden age, typical Nazi tripe, ha!

[Jazzneck]

[quote name='skankdelvar' timestamp='1425335938' post='2706409']
He also wrote that the Beatles were "[i]a product shaped according to British Psychological Warfare Division specifications[/i]."
[/quote]

Ah yes and the best example being "Strawberry Fields Forever".


[color=#252525][font=sans-serif][i]"Four days later the band reassembled to try a different arrangement. The second version of the song featured McCartney's Mellotron introduction followed by the refrain. They recorded five takes of the basic tracks for this arrangement (two of which were false starts) with the last being chosen as best and subjected to further overdubs. Lennon's final vocal was recorded with the tape running fast so that when played back at normal speed the tonality would be altered, giving his voice a slurred sound. This version was used for the first minute of the released recording.[/i][/font][/color]
[color=#252525][font=sans-serif][i]After recording the second version of the song, Lennon wanted to do something different with it, as Martin remembered: "He'd wanted it as a gentle dreaming song, but he said it had come out too raucous. He asked me if I could write him a new line-up with the strings. So I wrote a new score[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawberry_Fields_Forever#cite_note-SoldOnSong-38"][38][/url][/sup] (with four trumpets and three cellos) and we recorded that, but he didn't like it."[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawberry_Fields_Forever#cite_note-PuttingTogetherThePieces-30"][30][/url][/sup] Meanwhile, on 8 and 9 December, another basic track was recorded, using a Mellotron, electric guitar, piano, backwards-recorded cymbals, and the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swarmandel"]swarmandel[/url] (or swordmandel), an Indian version of the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zither"]zither[/url].[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawberry_Fields_Forever#cite_note-emerick135-136-39"][39][/url][/sup][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawberry_Fields_Forever#cite_note-Kozinn149-40"][40][/url][/sup] After reviewing the tapes of Martin's version and the original, Lennon told Martin that he liked both versions,[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawberry_Fields_Forever#cite_note-FOOTNOTEGilliland1969show_45.2C_track_2-41"][41][/url][/sup] although Martin had to tell Lennon that the orchestral score was at a faster tempo and in a higher key ([url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B_major"]B major[/url]) than the first version ([url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_major"]A major[/url]).[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawberry_Fields_Forever#cite_note-pollack-27"][27][/url][/sup] Lennon said, "You can fix it, George", giving Martin and Emerick the difficult task of joining the two takes together.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawberry_Fields_Forever#cite_note-Gould382-42"][42][/url][/sup][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawberry_Fields_Forever#cite_note-lewisohn2-90-91-43"][43][/url][/sup]With only a pair of editing scissors, two tape machines, and a vari-speed control, Emerick compensated for the differences in key and speed by increasing the speed of the first version and decreasing the speed of the second.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawberry_Fields_Forever#cite_note-makingof-16"][16][/url][/sup] He then spliced the versions together,[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawberry_Fields_Forever#cite_note-FOOTNOTEGilliland1969show_45.2C_track_2-41"][41][/url][/sup] starting the orchestral score in the middle of the second chorus.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawberry_Fields_Forever#cite_note-Gould382-42"][42][/url][/sup] (Since the first version did not include a chorus after the first verse, he also spliced in the first seven words of the chorus from elsewhere in the first version.) The pitch-shifting in joining the versions gave Lennon's lead vocal a slightly other-worldly "swimming" quality.[/i][/font][/color]

[size=4]This was subversive and caused many fits, arguments and tantrums as the "musical" youth of the day crouched over their Dansettes, guitars and basses in hand, trying to work this song out.[/size]
[size=4]I know.[/size]
[size=4]I was one of them and have never been the same since.[/size]