onehappybunny Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Currently on a mission to read everything on the internet before purchasing new amp/cabs... Looking at a 2x12" modular cab set up to provide flexibility for rehearsals gigs etc. The TKS cabs that I am considering (2 x TKS 112's) would be 104cm high on a base of 38cm x 33cm. They look great, really flexible, get the sound nearer your ears for monitoring on small stages, aid sound dispersion but before going this route I was wondering how stable they are. Would hate to buy a great new amp only to have it topple from over a metre high when someone bumps into it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwickhunt Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 I used to stack my DB112 cabs on their side which heightened the drivers/tweeter and though it wouldn't withstand someone falling into it, there was sufficient stability that it never budged under normal use. I presently have a pair of TC RS210 cabs and they are even taller/narrower (I stack them vertically aligned as opposed to on their sides) and again this certainly wouldn't stay upright if some loon fell into them but I can't think of a situation where I'd have anyone bimbling around that might knock them. [URL=http://s54.photobucket.com/user/warwickhunt/media/100_2456_zpscf5f9baa.jpg.html][IMG]http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g119/warwickhunt/100_2456_zpscf5f9baa.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuNkShUi Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 I currently have 2 x TKS 112's, and they are plenty stable enough. I've never had any issues. I have a ToneHammer 500 as the amp though, so cant comment how they'd cope if you have some big valvey type thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Merton is selling his Barefaced SC g3 cabs for the same reason. I wonder how many people are moving about on your (and his) side of the stage? How would your rig get knocked over? When I set up there's just me and access to the drum kit on my side. Also, how loud do you play? My bands are pretty loud and I had no trouble hearing my 2 112 cabs and that rig didn't even come up to my waist. I found no need to vertically stack my 112 cabs. Back in the day, we used to stack 2 412 cabs and a valve amp on some very iffy stages and I've never seen a stack come close to falling over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tauzero Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 I used to stack two GK Neo IIs on their sides like that and never had any issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chienmortbb Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 [quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1427704914' post='2733118'] Merton is selling his Barefaced SC g3 cabs for the same reason. I wonder how many people are moving about on your (and his) side of the stage? How would your rig get knocked over? When I set up there's just me and access to the drum kit on my side. Also, how loud do you play? My bands are pretty loud and I had no trouble hearing my 2 112 cabs and that rig didn't even come up to my waist. I found no need to vertically stack my 112 cabs. Back in the day, we used to stack 2 412 cabs and a valve amp on some very iffy stages and I've never seen a stack come close to falling over. [/quote]what is the reason that Merton is selling his cabs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chienmortbb Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 [quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1427704914' post='2733118'] Merton is selling his Barefaced SC g3 cabs for the same reason. I wonder how many people are moving about on your (and his) side of the stage? How would your rig get knocked over? When I set up there's just me and access to the drum kit on my side. Also, how loud do you play? My bands are pretty loud and I had no trouble hearing my 2 112 cabs and that rig didn't even come up to my waist. I found no need to vertically stack my 112 cabs. Back in the day, we used to stack 2 412 cabs and a valve amp on some very iffy stages and I've never seen a stack come close to falling over. [/quote]what is the reason that Merton is selling his cabs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 The thing that always worries me stability-wise is that with the use of light weight speaker cabs there is a danger of making your stack top-heavy. Those big old stacks were rarely a a problem because no matter how tall they were and how heavy the valve heads were, the cabs would always weigh more. Something like a Barefaced compact weighs only 10-11kg, and despite the fact that I have a light class D amp, with all the other items in the rack - multi-effects, tuner, wireless receiver, PSUs and mains distribution the rack weighs more than twice as much as the cab. Even a Super Twin doesn't weigh as much as my amp rack. I can't see the combination of a decent rack system on top of light weight speaker cab(s) being very stable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conan Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 [quote name='Chienmortbb' timestamp='1427720332' post='2733385'] what is the reason that Merton is selling his cabs? [/quote] You could always have a read of his for sale thread... http://basschat.co.uk/topic/258665-barefaced-super-compacts-x2-silver-grille/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merton Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Read, then buy..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merton Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) PS they have always been an immensely stable rig in the past, it's all because the new amp is too wide, deep and heavy to make me confident in a stack. Staying with BF and going for a Retro Six10 hopefully Edited March 30, 2015 by Merton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LewisK1975 Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 [quote name='Merton' timestamp='1427726830' post='2733509'] Read, then buy..... [/quote] If I didn't have 2 super compacts on order I'd be on the Motorway now! I bloody knew this would happen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merton Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 [quote name='LewisK1975' timestamp='1427731792' post='2733596'] If I didn't have 2 super compacts on order I'd be on the Motorway now! I bloody knew this would happen! [/quote] Ah bugger, sorry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M@23 Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 [quote name='onehappybunny' timestamp='1427697404' post='2733037'] Looking at a 2x12" modular cab set up to provide flexibility for rehearsals gigs etc. The TKS cabs that I am considering (2 x TKS 112's) would be 104cm high on a base of 38cm x 33cm. They look great, really flexible, get the sound nearer your ears for monitoring on small stages, aid sound dispersion but before going this route I was wondering how stable they are. Would hate to buy a great new amp only to have it topple from over a metre high when someone bumps into it [/quote] I have this set up with a TH500 on top, which is unbelievably light, so not sure how it would do with a 20kg amp on top. It's perfectly stable though. It would take a bump to topple it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTUK Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Having had a stack topple over, this is one reason why I never would stack vertically. If 2 cabs stack to waist height then that is enough for me to hear perfectly with 2x112 and definitely 2x210's. Dispersion isn't factor either. If you are going for a TKS cab you'll hear the definition unless you use stupid bass sounds and then no cab is really going to help you, IMV. Stability can be an issue unless you always play well built stages.... and since we probably don't, uneven floors or flexing bouncey floors can be an accident waiting to happen. When my amp and cab went over under power, not only did the amp need repairing, so did both speakers. That was an expensive episode ..so I'm not risking repeating it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwickhunt Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 [quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1427748532' post='2733912'] Having had a stack topple over, this is one reason why I never would stack vertically. [/quote] That's where personal circumstances will dictate if a vertical stack is needed/viable. I don't play bouncy or unsteady stages nor are there loons who might topple my gear and to me the dispersion 'is' important... hence I stack and am happier with it that way than lower/squat/horizontal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onehappybunny Posted March 31, 2015 Author Share Posted March 31, 2015 Thanks folks - very useful Think I'll stack vertically only if I don't get the dispersion I need and am 100% confident that no one (other than me!) is going to get close enough to accidentally topple the rig. Otherwise think I'll be happy with horizontal stacking of two 1x12" cabs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Two 1x12s isn`t too much of a risk, they`re usually quite stable. I however won`t be stacking my two Super 12s vertically as with them being so light, coupled with the crowds sometimes being a bit boisterous, I`d be too worried that the`d topple over. I`ve used 4x12s before, loved them, so having my two 2x12s like this isn`t a problem for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTUK Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 [quote name='warwickhunt' timestamp='1427788369' post='2734131'] That's where personal circumstances will dictate if a vertical stack is needed/viable. I don't play bouncy or unsteady stages nor are there loons who might topple my gear and to me the dispersion 'is' important... hence I stack and am happier with it that way than lower/squat/horizontal. [/quote] ok..but I find stages very varibile, even 'pro' built ones ( sure, you can argue the point about 'pro' ) ..and don't get me started on old stone floors in pubs, If you are talking about 2 x112...there is no dispersion factor to consider, anyway.... that is before you have to consider whether the frequencies are relevent either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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