DanH71 Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Hi recently bought a 4ohm 600W Genz Benz shuttle 6 and was looking at the neox/NX2-212Ts.. Thread here: http://basschat.co.uk/topic/260497-cab-suggestions-to-compliment-genz-benz-shuttle-6/page__pid__2753440#entry2753440 However...I do not drive and as light as the Neox/NX2-212Ts possibly are they aren't really carriable to gigs using public transport (no car). Does such a cab exist that could pull all or nearly all of the 600W of my GB head or does physics dictate having only more than one driver in a suffecient/optimum sized housing will permit this? Would be for small/mid sized gigs and rehearsal. I've seen high end stand alone faital drivers with huge power ratings but nothing so far off the shelf by a manufacturer..have I missed something? Any recommendations/insights would be really helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 I'm not sure 600w into a physically small box is going to be possible or useful. Get a good quality 8ohm instead... TKS, Barefaced, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truckstop Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) 600w (4ohm) is only 10% louder than 300w (8ohm) so yeah, probably find a good quality 8ohm. You won't notice much difference, honest! Nb: assuming you run your amp at full chat Edited April 25, 2015 by Truckstop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanH71 Posted April 25, 2015 Author Share Posted April 25, 2015 Cheers for the comments! It's my lack of knowledge and understanding for sure but can't get my head around the fact that running 4ohms into a single driver would only be 10% louder than using a 8ohm cab of lesser power rating?... I think the shuttle 6 provides 375W @ 8ohm and supposedly allows 600W @ 4 ohm..so isn't that a bigger potential than 10%? Or is that potential lost due to the fact that you are using only one driver even if it has say a 600/700W output rating? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truckstop Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 My physics is rough around the edges; but in basic terms, in order to double your volume you need 10x the power. 600w isn't twice as loud as 300w. If you had two speaker cabs, both 1x12, one 4ohm and one 8ohm, I'm confident you'll not notice any difference. 8ohm cabs are useful because you can buy another in the future and then you will be louder because your speaker area will be increased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanH71 Posted April 25, 2015 Author Share Posted April 25, 2015 Thanks TruckStop. Could you recommend specefic cabs that are ultra lightweight (carriable to gig) and that still pack a punch. Wateroftyne mentioned TKS & barefaced but can you recommend anything specific? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Truckstop Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Sadly not, I've never owned anything lightweight! As well as TKS and Barefaced, which are well regarded on this forum, MarkBass, AER and Aguilar are also probably worth a look at. I'm sure some more knowledgeable forumites will be along shortly with their thoughts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTUK Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Not driving and gigging are hardly compatible... but you will have to compromise on either the tone and/or volume if you want a 600w type box that you can walk to a gig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanH71 Posted April 25, 2015 Author Share Posted April 25, 2015 I know, sin car isn't the best but I hope to learn. For now I need a small lightweight no I can lug on/off buses and trains.. I understand some sacrifice is needed in power output, so if I could find a 300/400W single driver lightweight solution that would be great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 A good 2x10 will cover small to mid sized gigs with ease. I used a Markbass 2x10 that had no stress whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanH71 Posted April 25, 2015 Author Share Posted April 25, 2015 Thanks sgxas but is a 210 light enough to lug around on/off public transport? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTUK Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 As always no simple answer, as who knows how far you'd have to lug it for any given gig. If one of the band members were able to pick you up at the station/bus stop every time and you could get a lift to the station at the start of your journey then I still think you could think about gigging a quiet sort of gig with a cab that would weigh 25lbs or less, maybe, but how loud or effective one of those would or could be is something you'd have to find out yourself. I did a blues gig with a 210 and that was a struggle. The set-up got there in terms of volume but it was a one -off and I would not look forward to doing so again, especially from a tone POV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul S Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 I haven't tried the others mentioned but, for sure, a Barefaced Midget weighs just 9kgs and you could carry one all day. Certainly it can be driven loud enough for rehearsals and smaller gigs. Quite mid orientated and aggressive little beast, too, but can be tamed with an eq. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanH71 Posted April 25, 2015 Author Share Posted April 25, 2015 Thanks JTUK. If I'm mainly using DI at gigs and rehearsals arent crazy loud, can I not find a ultra light 8 ohm 15" /12" circa 300/400W cab that 'can' be easily lugged around without band mate favours? Surely something on the market? Or do I ask too much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave74200 Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 I have a Genz neo 2x12 and whilst it is amazing and light, I wouldn't relish the thought of lagging it to gigs on buses. I was toying with the idea of an ashdown or markbass 2x10 before getting it but got this one as it fits in the car and pumps out some serious bass. If I were you if get a sansamp BDI and go through the desk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexclaber Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) [quote name='DanH71' timestamp='1429983061' post='2756957']If I'm mainly using DI at gigs and rehearsals arent crazy loud, can I not find a ultra light 8 ohm 15" /12" circa 300/400W cab that 'can' be easily lugged around without band mate favours? Surely something on the market? Or do I ask too much![/quote] You're not asking too much - a Super Midget will do that just fine! I don't know of any other cab as small or light with comparable output. http://barefacedbass.com/product-range/Super-Midget.htm Edited April 25, 2015 by alexclaber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 [quote name='DanH71' timestamp='1429975711' post='2756884'] I know, sin car isn't the best but I hope to learn. For now I need a small lightweight no I can lug on/off buses and trains.. I understand some sacrifice is needed in power output, so if I could find a 300/400W single driver lightweight solution that would be great. [/quote] it's not the power in specs that are of interest- it's the amount of volume that the cab can give out with that power.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanH71 Posted April 25, 2015 Author Share Posted April 25, 2015 Thanks all for comments.. Have just been looking at the barefaced midget t before reading you suggestions and this 10kg cab is a definite contender. Don't know the super T but will read up. Want some warm, jazz tones with the occasional boost on top end so not sure if they would deliver here. Guess it's about the EQ of the head of the cab is neutral (which I don't know if it is?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTUK Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 [quote name='DanH71' timestamp='1429983061' post='2756957'] Thanks JTUK. If I'm mainly using DI at gigs and rehearsals arent crazy loud, can I not find a ultra light 8 ohm 15" /12" circa 300/400W cab that 'can' be easily lugged around without band mate favours? Surely something on the market? Or do I ask too much! [/quote] Again, I know I couldn't find one... but there are plenty of cabs which would have a 300w rating but how usable you could make it, only you will know. I've done gigs with single 112's and I wouldn't do them by choice ever again. Even 10kgs or so... how far can you walk that..?? But since you will be on public transport, that is something you are going to have to handle. 100 mtrs with a cab in 1 hand is bad news. Maybe you could hook up on your back..?? but I'd be learning to drive ASAP.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanH71 Posted April 25, 2015 Author Share Posted April 25, 2015 Cheers JTUK. Yes looks like driving is a must but for the short term if I can find one and the cash to pay for it that (the middle T as it's cheaper) would be the solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 [quote name='DanH71' timestamp='1429977026' post='2756899'] Thanks sgxas but is a 210 light enough to lug around on/off public transport? [/quote] Fair point. The 2x10 I had was just 19kgs (Markbass 2x10 combo), but maybe a little large for lugging about on public transport. The traveller 2x10 gets good reviews from the owners of them on here & it's much smaller & lighter. I'd look at Alex's Super Midget though. If I ever get back to playing, I'd be considering a Barefaced cab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanH71 Posted April 25, 2015 Author Share Posted April 25, 2015 Cheers will check out the traveller too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truckstop Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 I guess the best thing to do is to try as much as possible. Some people like to play loud and bassy which requires lots of power and/or speaker area and some people like a more mid-orientated sound and can get away with less power. I used an 80w 1x10 combo for 100's of pub gigs and was perfectly happy with the volume and never had to push it hard. An efficient 1x10 cab such as the EBS Neo110 would be perfect for me, but you might prefer the spread of multiple speakers or something with a low frequency emphasis. It's hard and takes a lot of time, money and experimentation to find something that works. Best of luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinehead Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) A first generation Barefaced Midget has got to be your best bet. These cabs are very small and light, and using EQ they can get quite low and they are definately very loud. I carry mine with ease for any distance you like. Bass in gig bag on my back, amp bag in one hand and cab in the other - it's a doddle. They seem to be selling at about £400 now second hand. Frank. Edited April 25, 2015 by machinehead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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