The Admiral Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Interesting booklet for landlords re the value of putting on live music, and 'how to do it'. It covers 2 points which I thought were particularly worthy of mention. 1. It suggests the LL should check the band have public liability insurance (PLI), and 2. Asks LLs to make sure that any DJs they hire have a Pro Dub licence, to ensure the artists whose music they use to make money, get paid. I know a few DJs and there are many who don't have this, although they will have PAT certificates, as more venues are looking for that now as part of their H and S due diligence. I wonder how many bands playing in pubs have PLI? https://www.prsformusic.com/users/businessesandliveevents/musicforbusinesses/Documents/MusicMakeoverleaflet.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwickhunt Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 My last band had PLI but they were the only one in 35 years of playing live music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanrock Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Yep, we have PLI and all of our gear is PAT tested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3below Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 (edited) Whilst I can see the value / necessity of PLI, PAT testing, PRS, PPL etc. the barriers being put in place just to do the odd causal playing of music seem to be getting ever larger. Several slices of the 'cake' are taken before you even play a note. We had insurance in the Ceilidh bands I played in - could see the potential for some spectacular injuries consequential to dancing to music Edited May 3, 2015 by 3below Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulWarning Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 and the end of the day all this 'ealf and safety stuff has to be paid for which pushes up the price of putting live music on, or the bands make less money, somebody has to pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Interesting that average takings are p on a Friday/Saturday by ~£650. Even if that's 50% profit then the bar will see an extra £325. Doesn't make sense then for the landlord to pay out more than £200-£250 if that. You can see why most of us don't give up our day jobs! For a band, when you've covered real costs, insurance, annual PAT tests... Is it really worth doing for less that £250? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulWarning Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 apparently you can buy blank PAT stickers off ebay, not that I would countenance such a thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDaddy Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Musicians union members have ooodles of free PLI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanAxe Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 [quote name='MacDaddy' timestamp='1430733492' post='2764039'] Musicians union members have ooodles of free PLI. [/quote] £10,000,000 to be precise, but that applies only to the member i.e. it covers [u]me[/u] if some of my kit trips up a punter and they break their arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoham Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I've never heard of the ProDub licence before, but I wonder if it would be required for those of us playing in function bands? How many of us have a playlist on an MP3 player that's used for background music during breaks etc? I'd always assumed that it would be fine as long as the venue was properly licenced, but reading about ProDub would indicate that's probably not the case. If we instead use a pre-recorded compilation CD, then ProDub licence would not be required. How do the rest of you interpret this? George Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number6 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I wonder how many LL's / Venues adhere to the PRS codes of practice? 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LayDownThaFunk Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Our gimmick was the fact we WERE a public liability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacey Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 All venues have to have public liability as a licensing condition, not the mickey mouse stiff they sell musicians, real insurance that is low on get out clauses. We have it but on sitting down and reading the several thousand word get out clauses it makes it clear it is not valid where any other policy overides the same risk. So unless your playing in an insured venue, useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacey Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 PS notwithstanding the PRS fought a long legal battle to have cover bands banned from playing covers without paying the PRS most the gig money, the best place for them is outside on the street. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle psychosis Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Its staggering to see just how many supposedly professional or semi-professional musicians have an utterly lax attitude to PLI and basic safety checks like PAT. Be thankful that driving instructors and restaurateurs take themselves more seriously as professionals. Want to be treated like a pro? Then behave like one, get your insurance sorted out and your gear checked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulWarning Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 [quote name='uncle psychosis' timestamp='1430815300' post='2764711'] Its staggering to see just how many supposedly professional or semi-professional musicians have an utterly lax attitude to PLI and basic safety checks like PAT. Be thankful that driving instructors and restaurateurs take themselves more seriously as professionals. Want to be treated like a pro? Then behave like one, get your insurance sorted out and your gear checked. [/quote]because they are basic checks anybody with a bit of basic electrical knowledge and common sense can do them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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