Cosmo Valdemar Posted May 7, 2015 Author Share Posted May 7, 2015 (edited) [quote name='spectoremg' timestamp='1430937684' post='2766189'] [attachment=191403:Mike Rutherford twin neck.jpg] I believe this is a Dick Knight 12/6-string bass which apparently Rutherford couldn't get on with. [/quote] Interesting! Never seen that one before. I believe Mr Knight is no longer with us but the company lives on - his son runs it now apparently. There's a website but no mention of these basses. I might send him an email to see if he can shed any light. [url="http://www.knight-guitars.com/"]http://www.knight-guitars.com/[/url] Edited May 7, 2015 by Cosmo Valdemar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12stringbassist Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 The Dick Knight bass owned by Renaissance was for sale at the NW guitar show a couple of years back. I took a pic - god knows where that is. As to John Birch Ric replicas - here's mine. Does it sound like a Ric? - not at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12stringbassist Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 May 2011. They only wanted £2400 for it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Valdemar Posted May 7, 2015 Author Share Posted May 7, 2015 [quote name='12stringbassist' timestamp='1431016952' post='2766970'] May 2011. They only wanted £2400 for it.... [/quote] It lives! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectoremg Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 (edited) [quote name='Cosmo Valdemar' timestamp='1431008956' post='2766858'] Interesting! Never seen that one before. I believe Mr Knight is no longer with us but the company lives on - his son runs it now apparently. There's a website but no mention of these basses. I might send him an email to see if he can shed any light. [url="http://www.knight-guitars.com/"]http://www.knight-guitars.com/[/url] [/quote] [url="http://www.rickresource.com/rrp/rutherford.html"]http://www.rickresou...rutherford.html[/url] Here's an article about the work he did on Mike's Ricks. [attachment=191478:Mikes twin neck.jpg] and here's a bigger pic of the beast. Sadly the ad's in German which I don't comprehend. Edited May 7, 2015 by spectoremg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Apple Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 What's this one Sid's hitting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectoremg Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 [quote name='Billy Apple' timestamp='1431020517' post='2767025'] What's this one Sid's hitting? [/quote]OMG, that isn't Roger Glover's old one is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacey Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 John Stillwell mod as its known, he modded Ricks to get more output, Foxton had a Jazz pickup under the bridge on his 4001. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Valdemar Posted May 7, 2015 Author Share Posted May 7, 2015 [quote name='spectoremg' timestamp='1431023506' post='2767073'] OMG, that isn't Roger Glover's old one is it? [/quote] Pete Agnew from Nazareth had the same mods. Here's an interesting bit about Glover's: http://www.dawksound.com/bass.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Apple Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Didn't Lemmy put Gibbo pups in his? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Valdemar Posted May 7, 2015 Author Share Posted May 7, 2015 [quote name='Billy Apple' timestamp='1431027656' post='2767143'] Didn't Lemmy put Gibbo pups in his? [/quote] Lemmy is well known for replacing the neck pickup. One had a Thunderbird pickup, another had a Bartolini, amongst others. I never understood why as he only uses the bridge pickup... Lemmy once described Rickenbacker pickups as sounding like 'chewing corrugated iron'. He seems to like the humbuckers they use on his signature model though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectoremg Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 [quote name='Cosmo Valdemar' timestamp='1431027114' post='2767133'] Pete Agnew from Nazareth had the same mods. Here's an interesting bit about Glover's: [url="http://www.dawksound.com/bass.html"]http://www.dawksound.com/bass.html[/url] [/quote]Cheers. Do you happen to know what he used it on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectoremg Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 [quote name='Cosmo Valdemar' timestamp='1431028545' post='2767161'] Lemmy is well known for replacing the neck pickup. One had a Thunderbird pickup, another had a Bartolini, amongst others. I never understood why as he only uses the bridge pickup... Lemmy once described Rickenbacker pickups as sounding like 'chewing corrugated iron'. He seems to like the humbuckers they use on his signature model though. [/quote]Chewing corrugated iron's his sound isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacey Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 The main issue was the stock 4001 pic ups had very low output. In the old days there was very little pre-amp available as valves distort when you pre-amp a signal. Hence getting a loud enough input out of a stock 4001 was near on impossible. In todays transistor preamp stages a 4001 can be dragged up, but in those days, you had all on to be heard. The 4003 pickups were re-worked and are now quite hot and produce a lot more output and bass. Mods using better pick ups were quite normal, Foxton had a jazz pick on his main rick basses bridge area for recording and his later work before moving back to the precision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Valdemar Posted May 7, 2015 Author Share Posted May 7, 2015 [quote name='spectoremg' timestamp='1431033909' post='2767243'] Cheers. Do you happen to know what he used it on? [/quote] Glover's modified Rick is on "Who Do We Think We Are?". Compare the tone to that on "Machine Head" - it's much fatter, but woollier and with less definition. Still has a noticeable Rick flavour, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geofio Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Rics can sound so different depending on what you want from it, plug a recent 4003 straight into an Orange terror bass and you will get a lovely deep warm tone, add in a Tech 21 vt rack and you are talking Geddy lee type tone, they are quite versatile basses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectoremg Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 [quote name='Cosmo Valdemar' timestamp='1431036611' post='2767293'] Glover's modified Rick is on "Who Do We Think We Are?". Compare the tone to that on "Machine Head" - it's much fatter, but woollier and with less definition. Still has a noticeable Rick flavour, though. [/quote]Cheers, I like that album. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevB Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 (edited) [quote name='Cosmo Valdemar' timestamp='1431036611' post='2767293'] Glover's modified Rick is on "Who Do We Think We Are?". Compare the tone to that on "Machine Head" - it's much fatter, but woollier and with less definition. Still has a noticeable Rick flavour, though. [/quote] In that case he's got his dates wrong, he says he worked on RG's bass in 1974 by which time Glover had left Deep Purple entirely. WDWTWA was recorded July-October 1972 and released in 73. Or it had already been modified previously by someone else. Edited May 8, 2015 by KevB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectoremg Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 [quote name='KevB' timestamp='1431074924' post='2767483'] In that case he's got his dates wrong, he says he worked on RG's bass in 1974 by which time Glover had left Deep Purple entirely. WDWTWA was recorded July-October 1972 and released in 73. Or it had already been modified previously by someone else. [/quote]Pretty sure I've seen pics of him using it in Purple? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Valdemar Posted May 8, 2015 Author Share Posted May 8, 2015 [quote name='spectoremg' timestamp='1431076344' post='2767497'] Pretty sure I've seen pics of him using it in Purple? [/quote] Yeah, loads of pictures and live clips of Glover using the bass with DP. Odd though, Glover's modified Rick was Jetglo, whereas the one in the link looks more like a burst of some description. Here's a more in-depth piece about the restoration! [url="http://www.rauenguitars.com/pages/roger_glover.html"]http://www.rauenguitars.com/pages/roger_glover.html[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 There is a photo on the net somewhere of Roger with two modded 4001's - the jetglow one and a fireglow with the same jazz-pup mod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 [quote name='geofio' timestamp='1431039253' post='2767329'] ...they are quite versatile basses. [/quote] I'd say so. Most of 'Sgt Pepper' was played on a Ric. McCartney had one for no better reason than he was given it for free, but if you didn't know it was a Ric on most of that album I think you'd be tempted to say it was a Jazz or a P. Plus, there was a huge amount of tone-shaping and, er... 'unconventional' production going on too, obviously... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevB Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 [quote name='Cosmo Valdemar' timestamp='1431080569' post='2767560'] Yeah, loads of pictures and live clips of Glover using the bass with DP. Odd though, Glover's modified Rick was Jetglo, whereas the one in the link looks more like a burst of some description. Here's a more in-depth piece about the restoration! [url="http://www.rauenguitars.com/pages/roger_glover.html"]http://www.rauenguit...ger_glover.html[/url] [/quote] The restoration in that link is much later of course, probably work done for when RG used the Ric again briefly around the mid-90's and didn't even use it for whole gigs then (recall it coming out for the odd song or two on the Pupendicular tour around 1996). The [i]original[/i] mods must have been done pre 1974 because, as mentioned before, he wasn't in the band by then, so the date mentioned on the Dawksound page is wrong or there was yet more work done after he'd quit Purple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Valdemar Posted May 8, 2015 Author Share Posted May 8, 2015 [quote name='KevB' timestamp='1431097513' post='2767816'] The restoration in that link is much later of course, probably work done for when RG used the Ric again briefly around the mid-90's and didn't even use it for whole gigs then (recall it coming out for the odd song or two on the Pupendicular tour around 1996). The [i]original[/i] mods must have been done pre 1974 because, as mentioned before, he wasn't in the band by then, so the date mentioned on the Dawksound page is wrong or there was yet more work done after he'd quit Purple. [/quote] Indeed, the restoration was quite a recent thing. Pity they didn't put Rick pickups in it though - he played it on Smoke on The Water at the Roundhouse a couple of years ago and it could have been anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Apple Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 The secret to Chris Squire's tone is his bloody massive hands. I did a cap bypass mod on my 4001 and it sounded awful. Yes, more bass and loudness, but the tone was mud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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