cameltoe Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 So I've finally bought a pedal board/case to make my modest collection more organised, it's a stagg UPC 424 model, this one: http://www.andertons.co.uk/pedal-boards-amp-cases/pid19615/cid694/stagg-upc424-effects-pedal-flight-case.asp The issue I have, is the edges of the pedal board are too high in relation to the input/output jacks of any of my pedals. Therefore, unless the pedals are placed a good three inches or more from the edge of the board, I can't plug a jack into them! I can remove the pedal from the board, plug in, then place it down again, but this kind of defeats the object, and also puts pressure on the jack, which is then digging into the edge of the board. Are all pedalboard/flight case things like this? Or should I look for something else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceBass3901 Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Quite a few pedalboards of this type have a similar problem... I used get around it by just attaching a bit of velcro to either side of little bit of wood to put under the first and last pedals in the chain so you can have your input or output slightly higher. The other option is to make a mini -patchbay kinda thing which features input, output and a send/return setup, so your input and output are in one place and everything is in a loop. This way, you can have the input and output wherever you want and even include a bypass switch on the patchbay for if your power dies or something. Hope that helps! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceBass3901 Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 The other option is look into a board with a separate case like the Pedaltrain boards, as they don't have an edge to them like yours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 (edited) I've never understood why pedal boards and pedal cases like this are so badly designed and so overpriced. I don't use one but our guitarist has had several, being an FX freak, and in every case (ha) I've been unimpressed at the shoddy workmanship on offer, particularly from one or two brands I won't mention whose boards are very flimsy with thin lids and fragile fittings, yet can cost eighty quid and up for a basic wooden frame that you could easily construct to a much higher standard with MDF and/or plywood for a few pounds and twenty minutes with basic tools. It's a total rip-off!! For example, can you tell me why this costs the best part of £140? Because I can't see it, myself... [url="http://www.dv247.com/cases/pedaltrain-junior-hc-hardcase--208758"]http://www.dv247.com/cases/pedaltrain-junior-hc-hardcase--208758[/url] Edited May 9, 2015 by discreet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cameltoe Posted May 9, 2015 Author Share Posted May 9, 2015 [quote name='BruceBass3901' timestamp='1431177810' post='2768514'] Quite a few pedalboards of this type have a similar problem... I used get around it by just attaching a bit of velcro to either side of little bit of wood to put under the first and last pedals in the chain [/quote] Not a bad idea. I could even make a small bit of wood to fit in the whole pedalboard area, attached by Velcro, raising it all by 1/4" or so. There would still be more than enough clearance for the pedals when the case is shut. You have to wonder then why they didn't do this in the first place. Discreet- shocking prices- which is why I went Stagg and not Pedaltrain! Did you see the ZVEX pedal board that was £250? Just a bit of bent metal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cameltoe Posted May 9, 2015 Author Share Posted May 9, 2015 http://www.hotroxuk.com/zvex-pedal-board-green-sparkle.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truckstop Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Well when you see how expensive most effects are these days then you can see why pedal board manufacturers price them so high! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 (edited) [quote name='cameltoe' timestamp='1431180385' post='2768543'] Did you see the ZVEX pedal board that was £250? Just a bit of bent metal. [/quote] Good Lord, that is a lot of money for a sparkly tray! In fact, you'd probably be better off buying a wooden tray from eBay and adapting it... [url="http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/40cm-x-30cm-WOODEN-BREAKFAST-SERVING-BED-TRAY-WITH-HANDLES-/111009738075?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&var=&hash=item19d8b22d5b"]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/40cm-x-30cm-WOODEN-BREAKFAST-SERVING-BED-TRAY-WITH-HANDLES-/111009738075?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&var=&hash=item19d8b22d5b[/url] Edited May 9, 2015 by discreet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truckstop Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 (edited) It's interesting because I'm actually quite sickened by the audacity of Zvex to charge that much for a piece of metal but if I saw one in the flesh being used by someone I'm sure i'd be quite impressed! Edited May 9, 2015 by Truckstop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truckstop Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 (edited) Edit: ddoouubbllee ppoosstt Edited May 9, 2015 by Truckstop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanAxe Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 [quote name='discreet' timestamp='1431178267' post='2768520'] For example, can you tell me why this costs the best part of £140? Because I can't see it, myself... [url="http://www.dv247.com/cases/pedaltrain-junior-hc-hardcase--208758"]http://www.dv247.com...ardcase--208758[/url] [/quote] I have used a Pedaltrain 2 for several years as the basis of my guitar FX board. Although they are pretty pricey, the box is a bomb-proof flight-case type of thing, and who here has the metalwork skills to make up the PT board itself? Combined with power supply and switching solutions from The GigRig, it has been the most effective and reliable pedalboard system I have owned. Having said that, the whole thing was so darned big and heavy that I swapped over to the much cheaper soft case version (and the case doubles as a cover for my Ampeg SVT 3Pro). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 [quote name='JapanAxe' timestamp='1431182738' post='2768569'] ...who here has the metalwork skills to make up the PT board itself? [/quote] I take your point, but I'd make it out of wood - much lighter and a lot easier and cheaper to fix if (when) it got broke... I'm sure there must be a niche in this market somewhere for an enterprising young woodwork student... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceBass3901 Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 There are loads of people about making wooden pedalboards (some from plain old pine, others using exotic timbers) at prices just as high if not higher than the Pedaltrain boards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 [quote name='BruceBass3901' timestamp='1431198570' post='2768791'] There are loads of people about making wooden pedalboards (some from plain old pine, others using exotic timbers) at prices just as high if not higher than the Pedaltrain boards [/quote] Ah-ha! So pile 'em high and sell 'em cheap, then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceBass3901 Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 I still think the GORM from IKEA is a good foundation for a pedalboard, then if you need the added protection of a hardcase, just get a flightcase made to fit it... Or reverse the order and get a cheap flightcase then build a board to fit it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muppet Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 I had this problem. I used right angled jacks instead. Then I switched to Pedaltrain, problem solved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 (edited) [quote name='BruceBass3901' timestamp='1431199374' post='2768799'] Or reverse the order and get a cheap flightcase then build a board to fit it! [/quote] Or get a reasonable pedalboard bag then build a board to fit it... ...actually while Googling stuff I came across this board-in-a-bag for £32 which seems reasonable. [url="http://www.thomann.de/gb/gator_gptblack_pedalboard_mit_bag.htm"]http://www.thomann.d...ard_mit_bag.htm[/url] Almost makes me want to buy some FX to use with it! Almost. Edited May 9, 2015 by discreet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanAxe Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 [quote name='discreet' timestamp='1431208160' post='2768883'] Or get a reasonable pedalboard bag then build a board to fit it... ...actually while Googling stuff I came across this board-in-a-bag for £32 which seems reasonable. [url="http://www.thomann.de/gb/gator_gptblack_pedalboard_mit_bag.htm"]http://www.thomann.d...ard_mit_bag.htm[/url] Almost makes me want to buy some FX to use with it! Almost. [/quote] And the 'Pro' version is less than £50! http://www.thomann.de/gb/gator_gptpro_pedalboard_with_bag.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 [quote name='JapanAxe' timestamp='1431208548' post='2768890'] And the 'Pro' version is less than £50! [/quote] Heh. Of course I have no idea if these products are of any use, or not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanAxe Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 The actual boards look suspiciously like chunks of MDF covered in Tolex and Velcro-eye material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 The smaller one is listed as plywood, which would be a sensible choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanAxe Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 [quote name='discreet' timestamp='1431209050' post='2768898'] The smaller one is listed as plywood, which would be a sensible choice. [/quote] Fair enough then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tauzero Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 [quote name='cameltoe' timestamp='1431180385' post='2768543'] Not a bad idea. I could even make a small bit of wood to fit in the whole pedalboard area, attached by Velcro, raising it all by 1/4" or so. There would still be more than enough clearance for the pedals when the case is shut. You have to wonder then why they didn't do this in the first place. [/quote] I've got my Zoom B3 in a Stagg case and that's how I've done it - used [url="http://www.pedalstuff.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=158"]those chain link shaped brackets[/url] to mount the B3 and swell pedal to the ply and then velcroed the ply into the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismuzz Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Diago make some "pedal risers" which I bought a couple of to raise the pedals on the back row a couple of centimetres, they already have very good Velcro on, and they really tidy your board up if you run all your patch cables underneath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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