Disrespect

[skankdelvar]

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1432767602' post='2784898']


Your right, I'm even starting to say pubs instead of bars.lol
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Well, you are from Millwall.

So draw on your cultural heritage. Next time someone gives you some lip, look at 'em slow and growl 'Gertcha'. Then lamp them with a 'Millwall brick'.

Edited May 28, 2015 by skankdelvar

[SICbass]

[quote name='FuNkShUi' timestamp='1432633283' post='2783331']
Not disrespect in the way Blue is on about but having drunk people falling into you as you are playing is pretty annoying.
I mean, if it happens once, no problem. Accidents happen.
But last gig a lady full on stacked it into me mid song, i zero'd my volume and picled her up, then came back in.
Instead of moving back a little, or somewhere else all togeher, she kept on dancing right infront of me. I had to move the position if my bass so i was playing it like a Cello she was so close.
She proceeded to bump and knock me for the rest of the set. Super annoying. Not the firsty time it happened either!
When there is a whole dancefloor to choose from, why stand that close?!?! Might set myself up an electric fence from now on.
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Are you sure she wasn't trying to pick you up?😉

Edited May 28, 2015 by SICbass

[Jazzneck]

[quote name='mentalextra' timestamp='1432565277' post='2782710']
............. sesquipedalian!
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That's a big word like "marmalade", innit?

[rogerstodge]

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1432767602' post='2784898']


Your right, I'm even starting to say pubs instead of bars.lol

Blue
[/quote] can you lend me a lady Godiva so i can get a pint of Nelson Mandella?

[blue]

[quote name='Meddle' timestamp='1432847076' post='2785656']
I've seen enough music documentaries to know that old band managers were one step away from the mob, that bands were forced to go on long, exhaustive package tours and that with the onset of punk it was normal to be spat at and on. I find it hard to believe that any small time pub act was ever met with respectful silence. I've played in a few bands and I know that punters will talk over quieter or slower-building numbers. This is why you cut that sort of bloat out of your live act! Frustrating if you have spent weeks composing and learning an intricate musical passage only to have louty dudes talking over it, but sadly that is what happens. It happens to the big acts too!

Perhaps if you play in a string quartet you get more respect?
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As someone mentioned earlier in this thread. Does playing in a local bar band command or deserve respect?

Me personally, anytime I'm out checking out musicians or bands, I have great respect for anyone doing something well or at an advanced level. it usually means they have put a lot of time into study, rehearsal and practice. When it's a new young artist my respect is probably a little higher.

Blue

Off topic;

We're hosting The Stones here in Milwaukee on 6/23. I just found out Gary Clark Jr, is opening for them. " Way to Go Gary!"

Edited May 28, 2015 by blue

[visog]

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1432757919' post='2784749']
My initial post was worded poorly.

This was not meant to be a dealing with drunks in pubs thread.

It was meant to be a punters in pubs telling us "you guys playing in live rock bands in pubs & bars are history and no longer relevent" thread.

Blue
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I agree - stringed instrument usage in a Simon Cowell/Dance music era is about as relevant as trombone is in any era. Rock is now a minority music behind Urban - fact.

So get over it and don't annoy the public with your electric guitar music. No really, if I go out somewhere and there's a live band I'm outta there because I won't be able to talk and I'll have to suffer some anaemic neu rock covers of Kasabian.

It's over people.

[peteb]

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1432757919' post='2784749']
My initial post was worded poorly.

This was not meant to be a dealing with drunks in pubs thread.

It was meant to be a punters in pubs telling us "you guys playing in live rock bands in pubs & bars are history and no longer relevent" thread.

Blue
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I think that the problem is more down to the type of venue! If you play pubs / clubs that punters specifically go to see live music then you will be treated with respect (if you are any good)! There is still a decent audience who frequent those sort of places, but crowds are not as big as they were, say ten years ago, due to people having more options on how to spend their leisure time these days not to mention the them having less money to spend on going out due to the recession, etc.

However, if you play town centre venues that are trying to provide entertainment for a passing crowd (i.e. to get them to stay for one extra drink because there is a band on) then you are pretty much bound to get a less knowledgeable audience who do not hold music and musicians in the same high esteem as those who patronise the more specialist music venues. The trouble is that the town centre venues tend to pay more…!

In my recent experience, there are certainly younger people who do appreciate live rock music. However, there are definitely a lot less of them around than there used to be. Remember, people like you are fortunate to have lived thru the glory years of rock music where it was undeniably the most relevant form of popular entertainment. Rock music is just not as important to many younger people…

[blue]

[quote name='peteb' timestamp='1432851508' post='2785707']
I think that the problem is more down to the type of venue! If you play pubs / clubs that punters specifically go to see live music then you will be treated with respect (if you are any good)! There is still a decent audience who frequent those sort of places, but crowds are not as big as they were, say ten years ago, due to people having more options on how to spend their leisure time these days not to mention the them having less money to spend on going out due to the recession, etc.

However, if you play town centre venues that are trying to provide entertainment for a passing crowd (i.e. to get them to stay for one extra drink because there is a band on) then you are pretty much bound to get a less knowledgeable audience who do not hold music and musicians in the same high esteem as those who patronise the more specialist music venues. The trouble is that the town centre venues tend to pay more…!

In my recent experience, there are certainly younger people who do appreciate live rock music. However, there are definitely a lot less of them around than there used to be. Remember, people like you are fortunate to have lived thru the glory years of rock music where it was undeniably the most relevant form of popular entertainment. Rock music is just not as important to many younger people…
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Yes Pete I did experience the glory years. I was 10 years old that magical year of 1964. The year everything changed for many of us. And I was up and and gigging within 2 years 1966.

It will be great next month going to see The Stones probably for the last time.

Yup all us grey hairs will be there talking to each other talking about the way it used to be and [i]"I went to this concert and that concert "[/i]and [i]"we did this and we did that".[/i] Apparently there was some Pink Floyd concert in Milwaukee back in the 70s that they haven't gotten over yet.lol Yeah, it was great and we were young.

Blue

[BILL POSTERS]

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1432863578' post='2785753']


It will be great next month going to see The Stones probably for the last time.



Blue
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I saw The Stones for probably the last time in 1973. And again (for probably the last time) in 1976.

They will probably go on for years yet.

[peteb]

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1432863578' post='2785753']


Yes Pete I did experience the glory years. I was 10 years old that magical year of 1964. The year everything changed for many of us. And I was up and and gigging within 2 years 1966.

It will be great next month going to see The Stones probably for the last time.

Yup all us grey hairs will be there talking to each other talking about the way it used to be and [i]"I went to this concert and that concert "[/i]and [i]"we did this and we did that".[/i] Apparently there was some Pink Floyd concert in Milwaukee back in the 70s that they haven't gotten over yet.lol Yeah, it was great and we were young.

Blue
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The thing is that for me the glory years were 15 / 20 years later seeing Thin Lizzy, Rory Gallagher & then Van Halen. For many the glory years were the early nineties with Pearl Jam / Soundgarden and then later on for some it was Oasis / Stone Roses. There were different golden eras for different people dependant on age / tastes.

The problem is that the recent years are less likely to have provided younger people with a 'golden era of rock and roll' in the same way. Their youthfull obsessions that they will take through life are more likely to take the form of RAP, R&B, computer games or gang violence or whatever...

[EliasMooseblaster]

[quote name='Bilbo' timestamp='1432635299' post='2783358']
There is another issue at stake here, something that is hard to talk about without offending people; I am talking about respect for the music. Now I understand that I am on seriously dodgy ground here but, some years ago, a drummer friend and I decided we needed to start a Jazz venture locally so we could bring some decent quality Jazz to the area. We found a sympathetic landlord etc and set up our little thing here www.jazzeast.vpweb.co.uk

The reason I am posting this in this thread was to explain [i]why[/i] we did it. There were/are a massive number of acts/bands/artists in our area who were listed as or presenting themselves as 'Jazz' at a time when 'Jazz' has little or no media presence. We were aware that. locally, there were a growing number of these 'Jazz' acts/bands/artists and venues putting on 'Jazz' acts/bands/artists that had no idea what 'Jazz' was and was not and certainly struggled to actually [i]play[/i] it. I am not splitting hairs over semantics here; the stuff that was being presented was both poorly produced, poorly presented and VERY poorly played (try a Jazz sextet that used a drum machine that just went tsss, ut tu tssssss, ut tu tsssssss, ut tu tssssssss all night? Duos that comprise a singer and guitarist wearing a suit and using a 'Jazz' guitar whilst playing pop songs - it was even bad pop, never mind bad 'Jazz' - all first position chords, no concept of solo 'Jazz' guitar playing - just painful to watch). Now, we could have lived with that as there are always s*** bands etc but the problem was that these s*** so called 'Jazz' bands were the ONLY 'Jazz' bands available for audiences to hear and the absence of any credible alternatives meant that anyone who wanted to see/hear 'Jazz' for the first time was being presented with some pretty grim stuff and would have most likley been put off it for life (one musician friend reported saw audience members actually [i]laughing[/i] at the material being presented). One of my biggest gripes is people who sing songs from the Great American Songbook and call it 'Jazz'. They may be great songs that might even be sung quite well but that doesn't make them Jazz, just songs that are/may be associated with 'Jazz' artists like Sinatra, Ella Fitzgerald etc. Some even use backing tapes, FFS. How can it be 'Jazz' with backing tapes and machines? I am not just being precious about my favourite genre and being all pretentious; the stuff I am discussing is just not 'Jazz' in any way shape or form.

I guess what I am saying is that, if anyone is going to put live music on, as a performer or as a venue, they should have sufficient respect for the music [i]and for the audience[/i] to ensure that what is presented has some degree of merit. Our view was that poorly presented 'Jazz', and this stuff was [i]poor[/i], was actually doling more [i]harm[/i] to the music than not having it available at all. We did something about it and are having some success but it's hard work fighting these bizarre Frankenjazzers!!

I know I am coming over as a Jazz nazi/snob but this stuff was grim, really grim (and they are still out there, s***ing on the music).
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I think you have a very important point, and a noble ambition. As Mykesbass's blog post suggested a few weeks ago, I often see evidence of a similar risk with Blues as a genre. The risk manifests itself differently, of course - I've also been infuriated by the number of cynical sheisters who think they can pass off anything with a slight swing to it as "Jazz" (maybe Duke's classic should be updated to "It Is A Necessary But Not Sufficient Condition For It To Have That Swing") - but I'm sure we've all seen the "blues band" who are clearly just a vehicle for a guitarist to musically masturbate over. I am somewhat relieved to say that at least in London, for every unimaginative cutout "blues" band, I've seen a couple who put some thought into their set and did more than just flog a dead horse over a 12 bars turnaround. In any case, I fully sympathise!

[peteb]

[quote name='EliasMooseblaster' timestamp='1432898657' post='2786002']


I think you have a very important point, and a noble ambition. As Mykesbass's blog post suggested a few weeks ago, I often see evidence of a similar risk with Blues as a genre. The risk manifests itself differently, of course - I've also been infuriated by the number of cynical sheisters who think they can pass off anything with a slight swing to it as "Jazz" (maybe Duke's classic should be updated to "It Is A Necessary But Not Sufficient Condition For It To Have That Swing") - but I'm sure we've all seen the "blues band" who are clearly just a vehicle for a guitarist to musically masturbate over. I am somewhat relieved to say that at least in London, for every unimaginative cutout "blues" band, I've seen a couple who put some thought into their set and did more than just flog a dead horse over a 12 bars turnaround. In any case, I fully sympathise!
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I was going to make the opposite arguement about blues in this country. The is a hardy bunch of a few dozen individuals who turn up at blues festivals up and down the country, who have very definite views on what should be considered 'Blues'. They also run websites and are very active on social media and therefore become quite influential in what is a relatively small scene. The problem is that many of the general potential audience who need to buy tickets to make festivals viable have tastes that run more towards SRV And Rory Gallagher.

If someone like Larry Miller is headlining a festival there is a very good chance of selling a fair amount of tickets and the event being a financial success (ie. breaking even). However, some promoters are wary of booking acts like him because it is likely to upset the purists...!

Edited May 29, 2015 by peteb

[Jonesthebass]

Got heckled last night.... Not unusual, we often state we'll take requests. The request last night was the normal moronic play something good and when the guitarist asked him to define good the guy named some obscure killers track and proceeded to finish the sentence with you cnuts. Now that is a first. I've not been called that on stage before. We obliged the gent by launching into a 20min set of disco tracks.

[ahpook]

[quote name='peteb' timestamp='1432895681' post='2785943']
The problem is that the recent years are less likely to have provided younger people with a 'golden era of rock and roll' in the same way. Their youthfull obsessions that they will take through life are more likely to take the form of RAP, R&B, computer games or gang violence or whatever...
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Is it really a problem ? If some people didn't want to make music distinct from what had come before then music wouldn't develop (you could argue that any artform would sagnate if people didn't strive approach it in a novel way). I'm sure there's plenty of younger people who would argue that their favourite music belongs to a golden era, and they'd be right, I'm sure.

I'm not sure I understand some contemporary music, but in a way I'm glad I don't - if I did, then it's being done wrong !

Edited May 29, 2015 by ahpook

[blue]

[quote name='BILL POSTERS' timestamp='1432887275' post='2785830']
I saw The Stones for probably the last time in 1973. And again (for probably the last time) in 1976.

They will probably go on for years yet.
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Mick and Keith could play blues in small venues well into their 80s. However, I think they're too famous to play any small clubs.

Blue

[BILL POSTERS]

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1432924142' post='2786305']
Mick and Keith could play blues in small venues well into their 80s. However, I think they're too famous to play any small clubs.

Blue
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Or they could do gigs at huge venues, for a huge fee, 1 or 2 gigs a week, staying in luxury hotels, with hired help, nurses, doctors etc on the payroll.

It would be a couple of hours work a week done that way. When I saw them they didnt seem to have rehearsed much, although tbh the mid 70s were not their finest hour, were they ?

[blue]

[quote name='BILL POSTERS' timestamp='1432929162' post='2786394']
Or they could do gigs at huge venues, for a huge fee, 1 or 2 gigs a week, staying in luxury hotels, with hired help, nurses, doctors etc on the payroll.

It would be a couple of hours work a week done that way. When I saw them they didnt seem to have rehearsed much, although tbh the mid 70s were not their finest hour, were they ?
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I first saw them in 1972 and last in 2005 and many times in between. I'm such a huge fan I like the unrehearsed shows and the very polished note for note big production shows they put on today. I have been following these guys since 1965.

Blue

[BILL POSTERS]

Since 63 for me.
1st single i ever bought was Wanna be Your Man. but I lost interest a bit after Sticky fingers. loved Some Girls, but since that theres been nothing that really impressed me.

[blue]

[quote name='BILL POSTERS' timestamp='1432937936' post='2786508']
Since 63 for me.
1st single i ever bought was Wanna be Your Man. but I lost interest a bit after Sticky fingers. loved Some Girls, but since that theres been nothing that really impressed me.
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I think the 80s were a rough time for them. Me, when you got me, you got me for life. The Stones have had my admiration and support since 1965. One of the few real rock & roll bands left on the planet.

Blue