Lifting your bass cab off the floor

[FuNkShUi]

I am guessing having the sound closer to ear level is a good thing, but having it off the floor, does that effect its perceived sound?
Do i lose anything by doing this?
There was a thread a little while back where someone posted a picture of their cab which was perched on what looked like a keyboard stand (cant remember exact thread sorry). That's what got me thinking.....
I have a 2X10 setup now, and wondered if this kind of thing would benefit or hinder me?

[warwickhunt]

Do a quick search on BC for 'boundary reinforcement'.

[discreet]

If you can hear yourself better on stage then it's a benefit. I don't rely on 'mechanical coupling' for my low end shenanigans as there are too many variables involved, so my cab goes on a low-slung Stagg amp stand at a 45-degree angle or thereabouts and all is good.

Edited May 27, 2015 by discreet

[alexclaber]

Generally it's a bad idea.

[FuNkShUi]

[quote name='alexclaber' timestamp='1432734630' post='2784390']
Generally it's a bad idea.
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Fair enough. Thanks Alex

[FuNkShUi]

[quote name='warwickhunt' timestamp='1432734011' post='2784382']
Do a quick search on BC for 'boundary reinforcement'.
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Pretty much exactly what i asked isnt it? Sorrrrryyyyyy

[Marvin]

[quote name='alexclaber' timestamp='1432734630' post='2784390']
Generally it's a bad idea.
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Why's it a bad idea?

Apart from the example of a keyboard stand which always looks highly unstable

[ras52]

[quote name='FuNkShUi' timestamp='1432733001' post='2784362']
There was a thread a little while back where someone posted a picture of their cab which was perched on what looked like a keyboard stand (cant remember exact thread sorry). That's what got me thinking.....
[/quote]

That would be me: http://basschat.co.uk/topic/258333-angling-the-cab

[discreet]

[quote name='ras52' timestamp='1432735849' post='2784405']
That would be me: [url="http://basschat.co.uk/topic/258333-angling-the-cab"]http://basschat.co.u...angling-the-cab[/url]
[/quote]

Was just going to quote this thread... Bill Fitzmaurice says boundary effects are caused by proximity, not contact.
Probably confusing the issue totally, so I'm off to watch [i]Air Crash Investigation[/i]...

Edited May 27, 2015 by discreet

[Bill Fitzmaurice]

[quote name='FuNkShUi' timestamp='1432733001' post='2784362']
I am guessing having the sound closer to ear level is a good thing, but having it off the floor, does that effect its perceived sound?
Do i lose anything by doing this?
There was a thread a little while back where someone posted a picture of their cab which was perched on what looked like a keyboard stand (cant remember exact thread sorry). That's what got me thinking.....
I have a 2X10 setup now, and wondered if this kind of thing would benefit or hinder me?
[/quote]You'll start losing floor coupling at about 2.5 feet off the floor, so don't go higher than that. If it's still hard to hear tilt it back. A keyboard stand is a bit too high.
The same applies to the distance to the wall behind the cab. Placing the front of the cab more than 2 feet from the wall will not only reduce boundary reinforcement off the wall, it will cause a response dip. That can be of use on boomy stages. The correct distance from the wall can put the dip at the boom frequency, cancelling out the boom.

Edited May 27, 2015 by Bill Fitzmaurice

[discreet]

[quote name='Bill Fitzmaurice' timestamp='1432736215' post='2784412']
A keyboard stand is a bit too high.
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Hence my recommendation for [url="http://www.stringsdirect.co.uk/accessories-c2/stands-and-hangers-c70/stagg-stagg-low-professional-amp-monitor-floor-stand-p6954"]this[/url] stand in the 'angling' thread.
You can tilt back aways, but it's only about 6.5 inches off the floor.

Edited May 27, 2015 by discreet

[ras52]

Here's the pic from the other thread again, TC 210 on a Stagg GAS-4.2 amp stand:

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[GregBass]

I am intending to stand my Big Baby 2 on top of another Big Baby 2 to get it up to a decent height

[Musashimonkey]

[quote name='GregBass' timestamp='1432737043' post='2784421']
I am intending to stand my Big Baby 2 on top of another Big Baby 2 to get it up to a decent height
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Now there's a solution I like! 😃

[Beer of the Bass]

[quote name='Bill Fitzmaurice' timestamp='1432736215' post='2784412']
You'll start losing floor coupling at about 2.5 feet off the floor, so don't go higher than that. If it's still hard to hear tilt it back. A keyboard stand is a bit too high.
The same applies to the distance to the wall behind the cab. Placing the front of the cab more than 2 feet from the wall will not only reduce boundary reinforcement off the wall, it will cause a response dip. That can be of use on boomy stages. The correct distance from the wall can put the dip at the boom frequency, cancelling out the boom.
[/quote]

That's interesting, as there's a pub I've played in several times where I'd usually put my cab on top of a chair, but tried a 3 foot tall bar stool for one gig. I did feel like I had trouble dialling in enough bass that time.
I've played around with boundary reinforcement when playing unamplified double bass - I've found that standing as far into the corner of the room as possible seems to give me a little extra low end.

[chris_b]

[quote name='GregBass' timestamp='1432737043' post='2784421']
I am intending to stand my Big Baby 2 on top of another Big Baby 2 to get it up to a decent height
[/quote]
That's the best stand. One that makes more of the same noise.

[Bill Fitzmaurice]

[quote name='Beer of the Bass' timestamp='1432737942' post='2784430']
I've played around with boundary reinforcement when playing unamplified double bass - I've found that standing as far into the corner of the room as possible seems to give me a little extra low end.
[/quote]A wavelength is a wavelength, no matter what the source.

[FuNkShUi]

[quote name='ras52' timestamp='1432736503' post='2784415']
Here's the pic from the other thread again, TC 210 on a Stagg GAS-4.2 amp stand:
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Thanks Bill.

Yup that's the one I saw Ras haha. Cheers everyone

[Marvin]

[quote name='ras52' timestamp='1432736503' post='2784415']
Here's the pic from the other thread again, TC 210 on a Stagg GAS-4.2 amp stand:
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Do you find that to be a sturdy set up? The cab doesn't wobble about does it? The TC210 is a similar size to my combo so i was thinking of getting one (stand that is )

[ras52]

[quote name='Marvin' timestamp='1432742483' post='2784502']
Do you find that to be a sturdy set up? The cab doesn't wobble about does it? The TC210 is a similar size to my combo so i was thinking of getting one (stand that is )
[/quote]

It's not rock-solid, but it's stable enough. So far I've only used in a spacious rehearsal room, so I don't know how it'll fare in a confined space where I might bump into it!

[Marvin]

[quote name='ras52' timestamp='1432743527' post='2784534']


It's not rock-solid, but it's stable enough. So far I've only used in a spacious rehearsal room, so I don't know how it'll fare in a confined space where I might bump into it!
[/quote]


cheers

[discreet]

[quote name='Marvin' timestamp='1432742483' post='2784502']
Do you find that to be a sturdy set up? The cab doesn't wobble about does it? The TC210 is a similar size to my combo so i was thinking of getting one (stand that is)
[/quote]

I've got a Schroeder 21012L on mine. It wobbles slightly if you bump into it but you'd have to really be going some to knock it over completely. The stand is quite low and so is the centre of gravity.

[Wiro]

Always decouple your cabs from the floor or stage. Especially of it's wood or an otherwise vibrating construction. You get rid of the mud and gain a more tight bass doing so.
The Quiklok WS-550 is stable and height adjustable. Add a layer of foam for the best results.
[url="http://www.quiklok.com/catalog/?p=productsMore&iProduct=499&sName=WS-550"]http://www.quiklok.c...99&sName=WS-550[/url]

Edited May 27, 2015 by Wiro

[Delberthot]

Here's mine

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I use one [url="http://www.staggmusic.com/en/product_detail/mxs-a3.html?backp=2"]these[/url] stands at its highest setting so it's 80cm off the ground. I have a ratchet strap that goes around the stand and the amp to make sure that it doesn't go anywhere.

It sounds really good, means that I'm not too loud on stage and I have plenty of bass and punch without having to boost anything.

I am aware that this flies in the face of everything that we are told is correct but it gives me a sound that I really like so that's all that matters to me. YMMV etc

[Wiro]

Is told by some bassplayers perhaps? Watch them, they are not that reliable sometimes.
A bit of background info wouldn't hurt I guess:
[url="http://www.consumerelectronicsnet.com/hometheater/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=33664"]http://www.consumerelectronicsnet.com/hometheater/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=33664[/url]

[url="http://www.genesisloudspeakers.com/whitepaper/Genesis_Loudspeaker_Coupling_Decoupling.pdf"]http://www.genesisloudspeakers.com/whitepaper/Genesis_Loudspeaker_Coupling_Decoupling.pdf[/url]