Grangur Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 (edited) I just had the pleasure of meeting with Gareth when buying his Thumb. (A Warwick. He's not yet into selling limbs, no matter how samll). It was a nice easy transaction. The bass was just as desribed. fairly priced and a good cuppa provided when we got there. Many thanks Gareth PS: Since this I'm now a bit P@@@@d off as he sold it as Bubinga - it's not, it's ovankol!! Edited August 31, 2015 by Grangur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grangur Posted August 28, 2015 Author Share Posted August 28, 2015 I'm just a bit fed up with this guy. The bass isn't as described in the thread http://basschat.co.uk/topic/263631-warwick-thumb-bo-5-string-2002sold/page__fromsearch__1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muppet Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Bit harsh? maybe an innocent mistake? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grangur Posted August 28, 2015 Author Share Posted August 28, 2015 With a Warwick you can go to their website and enter the serial number and get the full specification. I trusted his description. Maybe I'm a bit hot headed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 (edited) He has just copied the current spec, I try to comment on these mistakes when I see them but I must have missed this one. All standard BO thumbs built at that time had Ovangkol body and necks, little bit of research before buying always a good idea! Did he provide photos? Edit: Checking again, he has acknowledged the Ovankgol neck, so perhaps it was just a mistake? How has he responded to this? Edited August 29, 2015 by Kev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grangur Posted August 30, 2015 Author Share Posted August 30, 2015 [quote name='Kev' timestamp='1440859533' post='2854390'] He has just copied the current spec, I try to comment on these mistakes when I see them but I must have missed this one. All standard BO thumbs built at that time had Ovangkol body and necks, little bit of research before buying always a good idea! Did he provide photos? Edit: Checking again, he has acknowledged the Ovankgol neck, so perhaps it was just a mistake? How has he responded to this? [/quote] He's not responded at all. The pictures he posted are still there at: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/h3a7ku03nmcbzgj/AAAPfynKzQOchG66O1eJu7Fxa?dl=0 There's no shot of the serial number. Yet I agree, there's nothing to have stopped me asking before driving 200 miles to buy it. I agree, my fault. I should have taken a laptop or tablet and checked out the serial number BEFORE buying if for me it was such a big deal, which it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conan Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 [quote name='Grangur' timestamp='1440926296' post='2854716']I agree, my fault. I should have taken a laptop or tablet and checked out the serial number BEFORE buying if for me it was such a big deal, which it was. [/quote] His lack of response is slightly disappointing, but not everyone spends as much time on here as we do! Maybe, in retrospect, the thread title should be edited? It comes across that the guy is a crook... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Apple Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 But you went and tried out the bass? I've done some research on the two woods and they are remarkably similar, in fact they are related and wholesale suppliers price both the same. Ovangkol is slightly lighter, yellowish in colour and seems to have more grain whereas Bubinga is more reddish in colour. Post research when I look at the drop box pictures I thought the bass represented Bubinga more than Ovangkol. What I'm saying is that this might not be an unreasonable mistake to make, especially if the seller was told the same when they bought it. How many of us are really up on our African hardwoods and often the same wood has different names, for example Ovangkol is also known as Shedua. I got most my info from http://www.wood-database.com/ if anyone else wants to have a look. I also have to ask what do you think the seller would gain from this deception? While I understand you are aggrieved, I think the title of the thread could be revised. You say yourself that the bass was fairly priced and he was decent enough to give you a brew. It's not like you got the bass home to discover it was a fake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Apple Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Also does the Warwick site give both the neck and the body wood? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grangur Posted August 31, 2015 Author Share Posted August 31, 2015 Word for word, the Warwick site allows you to input the serial number and in this case I got: Serial number: L-096648-02Serial number: L-096648-02 Article number: 1225080000BZOVAOWW produced: 2002-12-04 Description: Thumb BO, 5-string Natural Oil finish Ovangkol body Ovangkol neck Black hardware Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grangur Posted August 31, 2015 Author Share Posted August 31, 2015 Don't worry about it guys. I'll deal with it; either get over it or sell. If it turned out to be a dodgy copy or broken neck etc, it'd be a bigger deal. At least I have a bass to play or sell honorably. Regrettably others have been known to get caught with a far worse situation than mine. So, don't worry, let's drop it. Many thanks. Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Apple Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I suppose the lesson is when buying a s/h Warwick to check the data-base first. I don't know much about Warwicks, but do they price differently for Ovangkol and Bubinga? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grangur Posted August 31, 2015 Author Share Posted August 31, 2015 No entirely sure, but bubinga ones are unusual and I believe, more sought after. So the answer is probably yes. I also wouldn't have knowingly driven from Hertfordshire to Cheshire for an ovankol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 [quote name='Billy Apple' timestamp='1441024237' post='2855384'] I suppose the lesson is when buying a s/h Warwick to check the data-base first. I don't know much about Warwicks, but do they price differently for Ovangkol and Bubinga? [/quote] As a general rule of thumb (see what I did there?), a Bubinga thumb BO is rarer and more desirable than an Ovankgol BO, primarily due to how many more Ovangkol models there are about, but also due to bubinga being the wood used on the full blown NT Thumb and being a more expensive option as I recall. If you look at the current lineup, you will see the cheaper Thumb BO models (teambuilt, are they called now?) are ovankol whereas the top end 'master built' models are bubinga. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Apple Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 [quote name='Kev' timestamp='1441041196' post='2855589'] but also due to bubinga being the wood used on the full blown NT Thumb and being a more expensive option as I recall. [/quote] Interesting, as mentioned I found both woods the same price from suppliers. I thought Ovangkol had the more interesting grain and is lighter, so for my humble needs it would be the choice between the two. Having said that the woods bear such a variety of colour and grain that IMO it would be pretty easy to think that one was the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowieBass Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I also had a read online to see what the differences are between the two body woods; some people seem to prefer the ovangkol whilst others prefer the bubinga for the influence on tone (and we all know how much of a dispute there is on the influence of tone woods). Ovangkol seems to be the lighter in weight where people have had chance to compare the two side by side and thus preferable for some. To the OP; were you given chance to plug it in and play it and if so did you like the tone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grangur Posted August 31, 2015 Author Share Posted August 31, 2015 I did have the opportunity to try the bass. It was the sort of weight I expected a bubinga bass to be. The sound was ok, but it's difficult to be totally sure when playing through unfamiliar equipment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassTool Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 [quote name='Grangur' timestamp='1440795842' post='2854009'] With a Warwick you can go to their website and enter the serial number and get the full specification. [/quote] .....only from year 2000 onwards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grangur Posted September 2, 2015 Author Share Posted September 2, 2015 [quote name='BassTool' timestamp='1441215150' post='2857032'] .....only from year 2000 onwards [/quote] Alas, tis true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyVertebrae Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Really sorry to hear this, my first time back on basschat now I'm in the market for new gear. Genuinely sorry for this terrible mistake, which is exactly what it was, I stood to gain nothing by lieing about the wood type. Worst thing is I clearly remember lookup the serial number myself before posting on here and there it is...clear as day, switch websites to copy full spec, copy and paste error at the highest level. I know it's not much consolation for your disappointment, especially after so much time has passed, but I truly am sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grangur Posted April 2, 2016 Author Share Posted April 2, 2016 (edited) [quote name='DirtyVertebrae' timestamp='1459211272' post='3014519'] Really sorry to hear this, my first time back on basschat now I'm in the market for new gear. Genuinely sorry for this terrible mistake, which is exactly what it was, I stood to gain nothing by lieing about the wood type. Worst thing is I clearly remember lookup the serial number myself before posting on here and there it is...clear as day, switch websites to copy full spec, copy and paste error at the highest level. I know it's not much consolation for your disappointment, especially after so much time has passed, but I truly am sorry. [/quote] Time heals and I don't hold grudges. Apology accepted. It is what it is. I've still got the bass. It gets played from time to time. Thanks Gareth for posting Edited April 2, 2016 by Grangur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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