dmccombe7 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Was looking for a way of triggering sampled sounds ranging from spoken parts and breaking glass kind of thing. Does anyone have experience of a simple to use system either triggered by foot preferably or by keyboard of some kind. Would prefer a cheap but reliable option to see how it pans out. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambient Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I've used a USB keyboard to do this, using samples in Logic Pro. Is it for live that you want to do it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danweb22 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Digitech JamMan Stereo, simple to use and you can load WAV files on to it from your computer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redbandit599 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 +1 for the JamMan Stereo, easy to use and I use it one for exactly the purpose you describe. In addition to bass I know play mournful church bells, police sirens and space ship launch sounds.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redbandit599 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Just to be clear I run a cable out from the headphone socket and into the AUX/tape inputs on the PA amp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) Loads of options depending on your budget, what gear you already have and overall robustness of the equipment that you require. How many samples will you need for the whole set? Will you need to be able play tunes with any of them? What would be your preferred method of triggering them? How "bomb-proof" do you need your solution to be? Do you already have any of the following: Laptop that you'd be prepared to take on stage at gigs, MIDI interface, any MIDI pedal device that can be programmed to transmit MIDI note info, hardware sampler? Edited July 30, 2015 by BigRedX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmccombe7 Posted July 30, 2015 Author Share Posted July 30, 2015 Jamman sounds as tho it might fir the bill and will get a look at it. I'm starting from scratch with this kind of thing and want to be able to trigger things by foot preferably but a keyboard might be ok. Only thing i have with midi is my Roland GT-6B but i'm not big on midi to be honest. I do need to trigger them in live situation. They are already on the recordings and we are looking for ways to trigger live. It will trigger sample spoken vocal parts not singing or parts that need to be in tune or in perfect time. There will be some sampled noises like glass breaking, ocean waves and that kind of thing. The spoken vocal part is approx 2mins long tho. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambient Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 If it's a band, then maybe your drummer could trigger them ? [url="http://www.alesis.com/controlpad"]http://www.alesis.com/controlpad[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmccombe7 Posted July 31, 2015 Author Share Posted July 31, 2015 [quote name='ambient' timestamp='1438296214' post='2833445'] If it's a band, then maybe your drummer could trigger them ? [url="http://www.alesis.com/controlpad"]http://www.alesis.com/controlpad[/url] [/quote] That looks interesting but i'm not keen on using laptop live for some reason ..... just not reliable enough for me. unless maybe a sampler of some kind that it triggers. Might look into usb linked sampler if there is such a thing. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambient Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 How about using a Kaoss Pad ? I just bought a KP3, and I can't believe what I've been missing. There's a new one called the Mini 2S, the S standing for sampler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike257 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 (edited) Roland SPD-S is a drummer-proof sample pad with 9 triggers available at any one time. Alternatively, the Akai MCP range of samplers are pretty bulletproof, can.be triggered from the on-board pads or from an external midi input. If you want something on the floor to control it yourself, I'd expect the Behringer FCB1010 can be persuaded to send midi note messages. Edited July 31, 2015 by mike257 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorturedSaints Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Hi Dave, A few more suggestions in this topic:[url="http://basschat.co.uk/topic/222721-foot-keyboards-or-something/"]http://basschat.co.uk/topic/222721-foot-keyboards-or-something/[/url] including what I use, which is the Roland PK5 pedals into laptop/Reaper DAW and its built in sampler for playing wav files. If you have an iPad, you could probably also find a cheap app that simulates a hardware sampler, something like iMaschine or an Akai MPC clone, which you could use to trigger samples live using fingers (or keyboards if you had a midi interface for iPad or a mini keyboard that plugs directly into an iPad). We use both my pedals and the drummer's iPad playing live in DarkSky. cheers Ralph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 AS I said in my original post there are a multitude of solutions and its a question for the OP do decide what compromises they want to make regarding convenience, cost and reliability. My personal choice would be a dedicated hardware unit that holds all the samples permanently in non-volatile memory so there is nothing at requires loading at startup or at any other point in the set; connected via a good quality MIDI cable to a pedal controller - either a "keyboard" style or something like the Behringer mentioned earlier which can be configured to produce MIDI notes instead of program change commands from the pedals. I would very much like to recommend something like an iPad, but I can't simply because IME computer peripheral connectors while being fine for typical home or office use don't come close to being remotely gig-proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 sorry i didnt read any of the previous comments so not sure if this way has already been mentioned but in my old band we used a digitech jamman stereo (direct to PA) to play the samples, was easy to save them on (real time play in/loop or save file via PC) and with the bank up/down buttons i could change the samples and still play bass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Yes it has been mentioned, but since you bring it up again can I asks the following... How many samples can it hold in memory at once? How do you switch between them? Are they retained when the unit is powered down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 (edited) [quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1438759086' post='2836889'] How many samples can it hold in memory at once? [color=#800080]99, 10 minutes max per loop, up to 35 minutes[/color] [color=#800080]198, 10 minutes max per loop, up to 16 hours with SD card (up to 16 gb...)[/color] How do you switch between them? [color=#800080]Increment or decrement with Loop Up/Loop Down. 'Fast Forward/Back' if held.[/color] Are they retained when the unit is powered down? [color=#800080]Yes[/color] [/quote] See here for more ... [url="http://rdn.harmanpro.com/product_documents/documents/245_1305738169/JamMan%20Stereo%20Manual%2018-0707V-B_original.pdf"]User Manual (pdf...)...[/url] Edited August 5, 2015 by Dad3353 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 [quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1438760174' post='2836898'] See here for more ... [url="http://rdn.harmanpro.com/product_documents/documents/245_1305738169/JamMan%20Stereo%20Manual%2018-0707V-B_original.pdf"]User Manual (pdf...)...[/url] [/quote] Thanks. However IMO nothing beats information from actual users of the equipment. While the manual ought to tell you whether something is possible or not IME only an experienced user of the device in question can tell you easy or practical in a live situation that function actually is. So having skim read through the manual I have following follow up questions: 1. Does the librarian software offer all the edit functions of the JamMan front panel. In other words can I take any audio sample in any common format load it into a specific memory location and set it to either loop or one shot? 2. Can I trigger a second one-shot sample while another is already playing? 3. How easy is it to switch between memory locations and can this be done while the current sound is playing without affecting playback, so it would be possible to cue up the next sample while the current one is still playing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmccombe7 Posted August 5, 2015 Author Share Posted August 5, 2015 [quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1438764364' post='2836949'] Thanks. However IMO nothing beats information from actual users of the equipment. While the manual ought to tell you whether something is possible or not IME only an experienced user of the device in question can tell you easy or practical in a live situation that function actually is. So having skim read through the manual I have following follow up questions: 1. Does the librarian software offer all the edit functions of the JamMan front panel. In other words can I take any audio sample in any common format load it into a specific memory location and set it to either loop or one shot? 2. Can I trigger a second one-shot sample while another is already playing? 3. How easy is it to switch between memory locations and can this be done while the current sound is playing without affecting playback, so it would be possible to cue up the next sample while the current one is still playing? [/quote] Think these questions are more about what i was looking for. Jamman does seem to fit the bill but BigRedX questions will clarify if we can get an answer. Thanks Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 i havent used mine for ages, im gonna ebay it soon probably, before i do ill load it up and have a fiddle from what i remember, when youre playing one sample, you can move along to the next but i cant remember if it just plays straight after the current one finishes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmccombe7 Posted August 6, 2015 Author Share Posted August 6, 2015 Any help on that ANT would be great. I've got a feeling it might be what i'm looking for. thanks Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redbandit599 Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 From memory (though I haven't specifically tried) on questions 2 and 3. 2. Yes, pretty sure I have mistakenly done this at some point and had two playing. 3. Yes, You can switch location and get the next one ready while one is playing. 1. No idea, not used the software. I'd try and keep it simple with relevant samples next to each other as keeping a bassline tight whilst scrolling through and looking at your feet is tricky. I also leave a blank channel between patches as I figure if you happen to kick on too far, for instance, it's better to have nothing playing than the wrong sample. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmccombe7 Posted August 6, 2015 Author Share Posted August 6, 2015 [quote name='redbandit599' timestamp='1438863232' post='2838148'] From memory (though I haven't specifically tried) on questions 2 and 3. 2. Yes, pretty sure I have mistakenly done this at some point and had two playing. 3. Yes, You can switch location and get the next one ready while one is playing. 1. No idea, not used the software. I'd try and keep it simple with relevant samples next to each other as keeping a bassline tight whilst scrolling through and looking at your feet is tricky. I also leave a blank channel between patches as I figure if you happen to kick on too far, for instance, it's better to have nothing playing than the wrong sample. [/quote] brilliant redbandit599 really appreciate the help and advice gonna give a closer look at the jamman Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redbandit599 Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Just dug it out and checked (day off today!) On Q2 - two playing at once, I think I was mistaken. Seems to play out the first sample then immediately start the second one. Q3 - yes, you can get the next one ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synthaside Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 I've been doing this on the cheap our drummer has a vert fancy electric kit and is able to trigger samples by hitting the rims of his drum's ones currently a cowbell but im assured he can loud whatever sound we need. One of our cheesy wedding onboards is teenage dirtbag by wheatus, So i cut out the strange scratching sample from the front of the song Mp3 , in the long term I will be giving it to him to load onto his electric kit but at rehearsals's he is using a studio kit. So in the meantime our vocalist is triggering it from this https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.soundtrigger&hl=en_GB on his phone which is connected via 1.5 jack to our mixer :-) .... the freeware is limited to 4 triggers in a list but if your getting on with it then the limit is removable for a small fee . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmccombe7 Posted August 11, 2015 Author Share Posted August 11, 2015 Afraid i'm not a techno by any means and don't have that kind of phone but i have seen it done tho. Think i prefer the pedal idea. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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