0175westwood29 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Considering going stereo after doing a few sound tests in practice, and both the my Moog ClusterFlux and Boss DD-7 sounding very nice with there big sounds getting even bigger. but im kinda thinking of how in a live sense it would work, on smaller stages id probs just run mono into my 810/ctm rig but thinking on a big stage as long as the pa gets the stereo r/l signals then i can get away with having the two rigs pretty close to each other? looking for advice? andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTUK Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Needs forethought with the P.A company as they'll need two channels for it. What it will realistically achieve i'm not sure, unless you can brief the engr what you are trying to achieve...and get him to work with that. Most jobbing engrs would probably not want to bother... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzyvee Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 I tied it twice so far. My bass gives me individual pickup outputs rather than bi-amping through a crossover. I tried it on a reggae gig but it didnt give me anything noticeably better. Last December i tried it at a big venue jazz-funk gig and it sounded great but it was a rush so i didnt have time to really check out properly how better or worse it was compared to mono. The sound guy took a di from each of my rack pre-amps and a mic from each cab. He did that because it was being multi track recorded into protools. Here is a preview from the gig http://youtu.be/o3DD0UbiRrY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0175westwood29 Posted August 15, 2015 Author Share Posted August 15, 2015 [quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1439650058' post='2844680'] Needs forethought with the P.A company as they'll need two channels for it. What it will realistically achieve i'm not sure, unless you can brief the engr what you are trying to achieve...and get him to work with that. Most jobbing engrs would probably not want to bother... [/quote] sound wise with the moog and delay in stereo with a bit of fuzz/drive it just sounds huge running in stereo, so im def looking at doing this for a recording rig, but it be nice to take that sound to bigger venues. looking at getting an abm combo to act as the second amp. also i should hopefully be able to ask an engineer that id like them to di 2 things, but ill always have the ability to quickly go mono. andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grenadilla Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 I have a couple of stereo stacks with 3 210 cabinets stacked. The top cabinet is for the bridge pickup on a 'Backer 4003 .It is a big variety of sounds and a lot of cables to hook up. Mostly I want a "treble" amp on a "bass" amp. I can get cutting bite with a Precision and a Sterling Ray 34 will drive my cat out of the room to hide under the bed ! No sound man or gtr can appreciate the sonic majesty of this setup. Ha! what do they know?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 I've run a stereo system at home and used it occasionally at gigs when I've taken the fretless along. On small stages, I've found stereo is pointless unless there is regular use of stereo effects (or run separate output socket per pickup). Most engineers prefer a mono source anyway because its easier to centre in the stereo spectrum. Lows are omnidirectional and become even more muddy with stereo effects. The bass loses its ability to anchor the mix in space. But on a big stage with two tiltback cabs behind, pointing directly at you, and less overlap with nearby instruments, stereo chorus sounds immersive and...pretty damn awesome. I've normally just sent a mono signal to the desk and enjoyed the stereo mix on stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bottle Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 [quote name='Kiwi' timestamp='1439814318' post='2845930'] I've run a stereo system at home and used it occasionally at gigs when I've taken the fretless along. On small stages, I've found stereo is pointless unless there is regular use of stereo effects (or run separate output socket per pickup). Most engineers prefer a mono source anyway because its easier to centre in the stereo spectrum. Lows are omnidirectional and become even more muddy with stereo effects. The bass loses its ability to anchor the mix in space. But on a big stage with two tiltback cabs behind, pointing directly at you, and less overlap with nearby instruments, stereo chorus sounds immersive and...pretty damn awesome. I've normally just sent a mono signal to the desk and enjoyed the stereo mix on stage. [/quote] I'm in the midst of putting together an effects board with stereo outs from the Chorus and Delay section. My bass signal gets split after my first board (the utility board just has my tuner, POG and DI). The output from the cross-over sends the lows to a big PA cab for clean, uneffected heft and the high-passed signal goes to my FX board so I can process it with the chorus and delay, then out to a pair of amps for the stereo effects. So all-in-all three channels. Sounds absolutely frickin' immense really ambient and washy, but with the added clean lows as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huge Hands Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 I think what some have to remember is that the stereo effect is only really an effect for those in the "sweet spot" - i.e. in the centre of the speakers. I used to be a sound engineer in a large (1,500 seats) venue where the room was very wide and not very deep. Therefore, your front of house PA effectively became two mono clusters, one for each side of the room. I used to get sick of trying to explain to our in-house keyboard player that although I thought his bottom end on the left/top end on the right wide pan of his piano was great for me at my desk in the middle of the room, it was giving two different experiences to punters at the wide extremities of the room. I would therefore pan both channels up the middle as mono! Of course, in such a wide room, the stereo field was good for theatre effects - being able to throw surprise noises and delay effects around the room. Not so good for a general rock band, IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0175westwood29 Posted August 22, 2015 Author Share Posted August 22, 2015 there is alot to work out, plannign on trying it out on wednesday, recording a bit of audio for my youtube channel. but also using it as an experiment for recording later this month. planning on tracking a stack left and right and then having a cleanish di bass up the centre for some clean lows as the left and right are gonna be after the dirt etc so will give a fat sound, well we will see how it goes andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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