tom1946 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 A lot of you know I play in a church music group. Instrument wise we have 1x 12 string, 1x 6 string, me on bass and a keyboard player + 4 or 5 singers. Bear with me here. about 3 months ago we had a new youth worker start at the church, he happens to play a double bass, our minister recently retired and we had a farewell service for her and the church was full. Imagine my surprise when I arrived to find the youth worker there with his DB. I asked him if he was going to play it alongside me and he said yes. I said one bass is enough for a small band like ours but he played anyway. This guy never asked if it was ok to play, never came to a practice or said anything to us which I thought was damned rude! Long story short it is our new minister's induction service this sunday so I rang this guy and asked if he was planning to play again and he said yes so I asked him not to and after some to'ing and fro'ing he backed down. Am I being too precious about this? I really think his manners and etiquette are poor. thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skol303 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Sounds like you need a good ol' fashioned dust up! Preferably not inside the church On a more serious note... it's hard to tell whether the DB player is being a douche, or just 'over-enthusiastic'. Is there scope for you to share the role? Is some of the band's repertoire better suited to an upright / electric? That might be a positive compromise. Alternatively, you could duke it out with duelling bass solos... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elephantgrey Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Im looking for a band at the moment, maybe i should try just turning up at gigs and playing with random bands… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lojo Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Neds Atomic Dustbin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ras52 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Hugo Largo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamdenRob Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 [quote name='elephantgrey' timestamp='1440683853' post='2852941'] Im looking for a band at the moment, maybe i should try just turning up at gigs and playing with random bands… [/quote] .. Good idea, take your bass along, get up on stage, unplug the incumbent bass player and play along.... if it goes badly just say its cause his rig is rubbish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom1946 Posted August 27, 2015 Author Share Posted August 27, 2015 haha, you lot are priceless! He uses his own mike plugged into the church PA, I use a 300w Trace elliott which is VERY loud. I have said to him why not play when I'm not here but I think he just likes the big events Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redbandit599 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 I play in one band with two bass players - we make it work ok. This guy sounds like a complete knob to me though.Maybe suggest he forms a band, does the practice, get everyone up to scratch then let you just pitch up and play. You must destroy his overgrown violin with Trace Power!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planer Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 [quote name='tom1946' timestamp='1440683163' post='2852936'] Am I being too precious about this? I really think his manners and etiquette are poor. [/quote] I don't think you're being precious at all; it wouldn't happen with any other kind of band, so why does he think it's ok because it's a church band? Who runs the band? There must be someone in charge. Surely it's their call to hire and fire, even if you are there on a volunteer basis. If nothing else it's just rude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowhand_mike Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 (edited) [quote name='lojo' timestamp='1440684111' post='2852944'] Neds Atomic Dustbin [/quote] exactly what i thought though their setup was probably more amicable but yeah kid needs a slap Edited August 27, 2015 by lowhand_mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4-string-thing Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 This has left me baffled, quite bizarre behaviour.... How on earth does he think it's ok to do this? Have you asked anyone else in the band what they think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassman Steve Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 You should slap him and tell him two bass [players is an extravagance a la Lady Whiteadder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ras52 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 (edited) [quote name='4-string-thing' timestamp='1440686759' post='2852976'] This has left me baffled, quite bizarre behaviour.... How on earth does he think it's ok to do this? Have you asked anyone else in the band what they think? [/quote] I can imagine a scenario where someone well-meaning and trying to be inclusive, yet unconnected with the running of the band, said something to him like, "Oh, you play the an instrument? You [i]must [/i]play with our band!" Edited August 27, 2015 by ras52 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colgraff Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 This is tricky. If you approach it from a purely musical point of view then he is being rude. If you approach it from a religious celebration perspective then you are being a bit precious given that the Lord is generally considered to take a more the merrier stance. Of course, the truth is probably somewhere in between. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamdenRob Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 [quote name='colgraff' timestamp='1440687142' post='2852986'] If you approach it from a religious celebration perspective then you are being a bit precious given that the Lord is generally considered to take a more the merrier stance. [/quote] yes but everyone know the lord prefers electric bass... especially slap and tapping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassace Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 I'd be very ecumenical about it and tell him to go forth and multiply. If he doesn't get it just kick him in the goolies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybertect Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 [quote name='CamdenRob' timestamp='1440687436' post='2852993'] yes but everyone know the lord prefers electric bass... especially slap and tapping. [/quote] Ah, but the Devil has the best tunes [I'll get my coat] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Did the Wrecking Crew use DB and electric together? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ras52 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 [quote name='cybertect' timestamp='1440688465' post='2853003'] Ah, but the Devil has the best tunes [I'll get my coat] [/quote] That'll be why The Lord prefers slap and tapping! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ras52 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 [quote name='Vinny' timestamp='1440688669' post='2853005'] Did the Wrecking Crew use DB and electric together? [/quote] As did Herbie Flowers on Walk on the Wild Side... a song that I'll sure would go down well in church! (Actually, why not? The characters in the song are the sort that Jesus used to hang out with, allegedly...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAY AGAINST THE MACHINE Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 About your space 'thou shalt not steal' . He has sinned! He is the sinner! Tell him politely to go forth, multiply . Failing that, met God sort it out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom1946 Posted August 27, 2015 Author Share Posted August 27, 2015 soooo it's not me then. [quote name='ras52' timestamp='1440687080' post='2852985'] I can imagine a scenario where someone well-meaning and trying to be inclusive, yet unconnected with the running of the band, said something to him like, "Oh, you play the an instrument? You [i]must [/i]play with our band!" [/quote] This is the most likely scenario but I think he just turned up and pleased himself I'm waiting to see if there's any fallout over me telling him to not play this sunday, don't really care if there is. The worship leader is my wife and she said 'if I'd known you were going to ring him I'd have stopped you and done it myself' she totally supports me with it, I'm not known for my tact and diplomacy, I'm quite blunt and in church circles you have to be able to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybertect Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 (edited) [quote name='Vinny' timestamp='1440688669' post='2853005'] Did the Wrecking Crew use DB and electric together? [/quote] I think Deuteronomy 22 may be relevant here [i]Thou shalt not sow thy vineyard with divers seeds: lest the fruit of thy seed which thou hast sown, and the fruit of thy vineyard, be defiled.[/i] [i]Thou shalt not plow with an ox and an ass together.[/i] [i]Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together.[/i] Feel free to use this as a Scriptural basis for him not to play with you Edited August 27, 2015 by cybertect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushbo Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Hugo Largo! Man, I love that band! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skankdelvar Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 (edited) What we have here is the DB player thinking along 'community' lines and the band thinking along - er - 'band' lines. The DB player thinks: 'Ooh! A public performance within a community of which I am a member. Why [i]shouldn't[/i] I turn up?' Band thinks: 'We are a discrete performance group charged with the responsibility of providing a service to agreed and reasonable standards. So bugger off'. You can see how the misunderstanding might occur. That said, I am firmly with the OP on this one, though I doubt my preferred 'signature' solution would meet with his community's approval, i.e. deserted warehouse, shoot in face. Edited August 27, 2015 by skankdelvar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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