John Entwistle isolated bass - Won't Get Fooled Again

[spectoremg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80dsyo2Ox-0
The Ox calmly going about his business.

[Number6]

Fantastic video and some great playing from Ox showing just how musical the bass can be. I love his playing style and could only ever aspire to his capability.

Thanks for posting this 👍

[Subbeh]

Without doubt that is just flat out awesome

[tauzero]

I posted this to the rest of the band a few months ago with the comment "This is why I want to do it".

We do "The Seeker". I thought I'd have a bit of revision and found an isolated bass track to that. And then I discovered that I've been playing it wrong for years.

[Phil Adams]

Genius. 2 left hands. I can only dream.......

[spongebob]

Certainly some awesome playing going on there.

Must admit, I'm not keen on his tone (sacrilege, I'm sure) - and the less said about that pointy monstrosity in his hands the better...sorry Ox fans!

[chris_b]

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I'm not keen on his tone
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You're not the only one. Pete Townsend didn't like it either.

[PaulWarning]

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1441706254' post='2860973']
You're not the only one. Pete Townsend didn't like it either.
[/quote]he didn't like Keith Moon's drumming either, should be a happy man now

[bonzodog]

Yes I don't think the way The Who ended up sounding was what Pete Townshend had envisaged according to some interviews

My band open with won't get fooled again using a sampled keyboard intro off my phone. I don't play it anywhere near the level Entwistle does but still a great track to play

[toneknob]

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The Ox calmly going about his business.
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Love that there's "Ox" in the URL.

[paul h]

Isolated...I hate it. I hate the tone. I'm not engaged by his playing at all.

However, in context with the band I can see why JE is thought of so highly. He's definitely the right bass player for the right band.

Saying all that. I now realise I have unknowingly stolen several of the riffs in that song over the years

[SteveK]

Doing a gig with Kenny Jones in a couple of weeks and the set includes WGFA. I've been referring to this clip and other examples. It would be too tall an order to learn note for note what JE plays, in any case he clearly never played it the same twice. More important to decide what parts [i]are[/i] important to copy, the "I'll tip my hat" section is in my mind important to get right, and then attempt to understand in a general way what and how he is playing - pentatonic and blues scale phrases abound.

[chris_b]

I have to say this isolated track does nothing for me.

We play WGFA in the cover band and I went back to the original record to get a feel for the bass line.

[spectoremg]

I agree that the tone's awful but the experience is great.

[Lynottfan]

Finest rock bass guitar player that ever walked the Earth in my book, used all techniques, I love his tone and rather like the Alembic to, still prefer his Precision sound off Live at Leeds, but the man was stunning, glad I got to see him do his thing, cheers for sharing.

[Coilte]

Another amazing bass player who plays with his thumb over the top of the neck.

Something for the "technique police" to ponder.

[JTUK]

Can't listen to it... Awful.

Never liked Entwhistle or Moon for that matter... but I can listen to them as a band.

[Lozz196]

Awesome - love the tone and the playing, though have to admit that`s from afar, not my style of playing at all.

[Number6]

Tone is subjective as is playing style.....i could make do with both

[Spoombung]

Never liked that band or his bass playing.

[Big_Stu]

I'm amazed at his technique but iirc his tone in later years was at least in part due to his hearing being knacked. I remember seeing one prog where he said that in later gigs he was lost if Townsend turned his back to him as he couldn't hear enough to slot in.

There's a 25 min i'view with him and Gordon Giltrap on YT. Two thing stand out in it, JAE's damn awful tone in all the demos of his basses and amps that he does - and GG being shown two historic guitars of John's and Gordon manages to clunk the headstocks of both of them while perusing them.

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[drTStingray]

I found this very interesting from several angles. Firstly his use of rythmn at times, which I had never noticed on this track before - reminiscent of the same technique in the bass solo in My Gemeration but perhaps further developed.

Secondly his sound is very much like a very pumped up version of a P bass with the tone full up. I don't think it's that awful - a bit like a pre punk sound (j j Burnel etc)

[inthedoghouse]

Perhaps I'm in a minority here, but I can't watch this clip enough times :-)

[Truckstop]

It's not as if the note choices are particularly experimental or difficult or even that it's hard to play, technique wise. In places it's seriously sloppy (not a criticism!). But it's his sense of groove and phrasing that makes it an incredible piece of music.

Edited September 11, 2015 by Truckstop

[KevB]

I think this is quite impressive as well though they were never my fave band

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