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RickenFakers

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Dave Vader Proficient

Dave Vader

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[quote name='Johnston' post='1236025' date='May 18 2011, 05:37 PM']anyone good at drawing ??

We could all sell pictures of a drawing of a rickenbacker :)

Thats bound to break IP.

Edit: Actually thinking about it I have a collection of PDF templates but as yet never found a Ricky one. I have seen a number of posts on other forums of folks looking the same.

Any one with a ricky, measuring stick and good enough with software to do one up . :brow: Now that would piss him off :)[/quote]

How about this,

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Bass-Guitar-Rickenbacker-mousemat-Mouse-Mat-/110669257118?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_MouseMats&hash=item19c466d99e#ht_629wt_736"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Bass-Guitar-Rickenba...9e#ht_629wt_736[/url]

or this

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RICKENBACKER-GUITAR-CANVAS-ART-PRINT-/260757122626?pt=UK_Home_Garden_Decorative_Accents_LE&var=&hash=item8264283960#ht_859wt_882"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RICKENBACKER-GUITAR-...60#ht_859wt_882[/url]

Or maybe this one?

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Miniature-Clock-Rickenbacker-330-Black-9056-/190470433786?pt=UK_Clocks&hash=item2c58ec2bfa#ht_985wt_649"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Miniature-Clock-Rick...fa#ht_985wt_649[/url]

A classic? Maybe...

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RICKENBACKER-BROWN-CANVAS-ART-PRINT-A0-A2-A1-FRAMED-/130519524413?pt=UK_Home_Garden_Decorative_Accents_LE&var=&hash=item641f3b69d1#ht_979wt_882"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RICKENBACKER-BROWN-C...d1#ht_979wt_882[/url]

And my favourite Ricky picture ever... :lol:

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RICKENBACKER-GUITARS-WARHOL-24-x24-CANVAS-ART-PRINT-/130520278871?pt=UK_Art_CanvasGiclee_RL&hash=item1e639d6757#ht_3733wt_997"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RICKENBACKER-GUITARS...7#ht_3733wt_997[/url]

tauzero Grand Master

tauzero

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[quote name='ash' post='1233362' date='May 16 2011, 06:12 PM'][b]
...and this is what I got back from the chief executive himself...[/b]

The sir,

I have not seen your instrument but if it is shaped [b]anything like[/b] our
instruments- head, body, pickguard, pickups, logo plate- it would be
covered by a variety of U.S. and E.C. trademark registrations. A number of
John Birch instruments I have seen in the past infringe these rights and
sale of them would be unlawful.[/quote]
Does that mean that Fenders are infringing on Rickenbacker's trademark? It seems a rather waving-hands-in-the-air-vaguely sort of definition of what is infringing and what isn't.

Big_Stu Proficient

Big_Stu

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John Birch was never a "one-man band" but he was never far from it. He was making Rick copies up until the very end - and there was still one left at John Carling's the last I heard. It begs the question that since JB guiatrs was so tiny why didn't Rickenbacker hit JB with some kind of injunction, or even go so far as to sue him.
Might be worth having a word with John Carling; who was John Birch last business partner up to his death, about how they avoided Rick's wrath?

ash Grand Master

ash

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[quote name='LukeFRC' post='1237502' date='May 19 2011, 10:18 PM']...[/quote]

Ha Ha a Magrittenbacker!

Mr. Foxen Veteran

Mr. Foxen

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[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/70S-SHORT-SCALE-BASS-/170644853109?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item27bb39d175"]£75 BIN shortscale[/url], nearly hammer the BIN there, till I realised it is horrible tack.

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Indie-IRK-Bass-Guitar-rickenbacker-copy-/180670807719?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item2a10d1bea7"]This indie won't last.[/url]

ash Grand Master

ash

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[quote name='Mr. Foxen' post='1240586' date='May 22 2011, 05:55 PM'][url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/70S-SHORT-SCALE-BASS-/170644853109?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item27bb39d175"]£75 BIN shortscale[/url], nearly hammer the BIN there, till I realised it is horrible tack.

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Indie-IRK-Bass-Guitar-rickenbacker-copy-/180670807719?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item2a10d1bea7"]This indie won't last.[/url][/quote]

That first one's a catalogue Kay isn't it? That Indie is dicing with death, the Rickenwaffe's wrath will prevail! :)

Big_Stu Proficient

Big_Stu

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[quote name='Soloshchenko' post='1240787' date='May 22 2011, 08:47 PM']It's tat but it's well priced tat. One day I'll buy a Kay, start converting and upgrading it, get really bored and sell it in parts at a loss.

It's what I do. :)[/quote]

I did that once with an Antoria EB3, I wondered how it would look & sounds as all black with two Musicman pups in it. It was still in bits months alter & went in the bin when I moved house.

Dave Vader Proficient

Dave Vader

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[quote name='Soloshchenko' post='1240787' date='May 22 2011, 08:47 PM']It's tat but it's well priced tat. One day I'll buy a Kay, start converting and upgrading it, get really bored and sell it in parts at a loss.

It's what I do. :)[/quote]

I am on stage 1 of this cycle, I just got a Kay....

Big_Stu Proficient

Big_Stu

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Even as I type there are currently four, count 'em FOUR Rick copies on Ebay. That's taking the piss out of Ash's John Birch. I can only think it's because Ash's is a better build quality than a real Rick And John Hall knows it.
Though as has been said on here, the same could maybe be said about the Ibanez one.

Mr. Foxen Veteran

Mr. Foxen

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[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Retrovibe-RV4-Bass-guitar-/300560613101?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item45facefeed"]White Retrovibe, with R-bomb in listing.[/url]

Dave Vader Proficient

Dave Vader

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[quote name='Soloshchenko' post='1242046' date='May 23 2011, 07:05 PM']Exciting. A Ricky one? Get some pics going![/quote]

Sadly not, it's an SG shaped one. Bits of it are going one way, and the rest will be a baritone. Or ebayed...

Mr. Foxen Veteran

Mr. Foxen

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[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vintage-Rickenbacker-style-Hondo2-Bass-Guitar-/320704837291?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item4aab7f76ab"]Hondo[/url]

Musky Proficient

Musky

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[quote name='Mr. Foxen' post='1244956' date='May 25 2011, 11:06 PM'][url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vintage-Rickenbacker-style-Hondo2-Bass-Guitar-/320704837291?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item4aab7f76ab"]Hondo[/url][/quote]
"Maple body" :)

At least he has the sense to put his phone number on there. I wonder if the guy in the guitar shop told him to do that as well?

tauzero Grand Master

tauzero

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[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BASS-GUITAR-LIGHT-LACQUERED-WOOD-WHITE-INSET-/150608016246?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item2310eff376"]Unknown[/url], probably slid under the radar.

Musky Proficient

Musky

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[quote name='tauzero' post='1247253' date='May 27 2011, 03:54 PM'][url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BASS-GUITAR-LIGHT-LACQUERED-WOOD-WHITE-INSET-/150608016246?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item2310eff376"]Unknown[/url], probably slid under the radar.[/quote]
Looks like a Kay :)

karlfer Veteran

karlfer

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Ibby, start the countdown please.

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140554207251&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...e=STRK:MEWAX:IT[/url]

tauzero Grand Master

tauzero

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I think that RIC could be challenged on attempting to protect trademark where (i) the word "Rickenbacker" isn't used, thereby there being no apparent attempt to confuse the origin of the item and (ii) the article is secondhand. [url="http://law.slu.edu/library/research/WilsonFirstSaleDoctrine.pdf"]See this article on first-sale doctrine.[/url] I think ash could challenge Ebay over the John Birch he's trying to sell on these grounds.

Mr. Foxen Veteran

Mr. Foxen

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[quote name='tauzero' post='1250763' date='May 30 2011, 08:43 PM']I think that RIC could be challenged on attempting to protect trademark where (i) the word "Rickenbacker" isn't used, thereby there being no apparent attempt to confuse the origin of the item and (ii) the article is secondhand. [url="http://law.slu.edu/library/research/WilsonFirstSaleDoctrine.pdf"]See this article on first-sale doctrine.[/url] I think ash could challenge Ebay over the John Birch he's trying to sell on these grounds.[/quote]

He can't challenge ebay, because they are entitled to do whatever they like with their own website. Ebay could challenge RIC, but they won't, because it is a tiny amount of revenue they are missing out on.

The Twickerman Enthusiast

The Twickerman

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[quote name='Mr. Foxen' post='1250859' date='May 30 2011, 10:11 PM']He can't challenge ebay, because they are entitled to do whatever they like with their own website. Ebay could challenge RIC, but they won't, because it is a tiny amount of revenue they are missing out on.[/quote]

This is correct.

tauzero Grand Master

tauzero

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[quote name='Mr. Foxen' post='1250859' date='May 30 2011, 10:11 PM']He can't challenge ebay, because they are entitled to do whatever they like with their own website.[/quote]
Ebay are saying that he's in breach of their T&Cs because of trademark infringement. If he's not, then there is no case for them to remove the listing.

The Twickerman Enthusiast

The Twickerman

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[quote name='tauzero' post='1251145' date='May 31 2011, 10:06 AM']Ebay are saying that he's in breach of their T&Cs because of trademark infringement. If he's not, then there is no case for them to remove the listing.[/quote]

That is not in dispute. The fact remains they can remove whatever they want, whenever they want, from their site. They are not obliged to give a reason.

Even if you proved the point in court, that it was not in breach of their rules, they'd still not have to publish your advert on their site.

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