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[quote name='Annoying Twit' post='836698' date='May 13 2010, 10:39 PM']First £40, then £30, then back up to £40, now up to £55. IT'S BAAAAAACCCCKKKKKK!!!!

[url="http://leicester.gumtree.com/leicester/54/58564354.html"]http://leicester.gumtree.com/leicester/54/58564354.html[/url]

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Thats just reminded me .. does anyone know if that guy in Italy still makes the faker TRC as i've lost his details.

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Shaftesbury. Not a 4001/4003 model. I don't know what model number this bass reproduces. (hint hint: I hope someone tells me :) )

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Cool-1960s-style-bass-Rose-Morris-Shaftesbury-/280507344632?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item414f8a66f8"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Cool-1960s-style-bas...=item414f8a66f8[/url]

Low starting price. Pick up only in Surrey.

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[quote name='Musky' post='838498' date='May 15 2010, 10:32 PM']It's not actually a reproduction of a bass, but it's based on the 330 guitar. The fact that rickenbacker never produced a bass like this doesn't seem to stop Mr. Hall pulling the auctions though. :)[/quote]

I have the book of john entwistle's bass collection... he has a rickenbacker bass model 31 which is what this is based on. Looks lovely too!
Or the 4005

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[quote name='LukeFRC' post='838572' date='May 16 2010, 01:05 AM']I have the book of john entwistle's bass collection... he has a rickenbacker bass model 31 which is what this is based on. Looks lovely too!
Or the 4005[/quote]

I didn't know Entwistle had used one of these. Then again he seems to have owned virtually every model of bass ever made, so it should come as no surprise. :rolleyes:

Are some digits missing from that model number?

Edit: I've just realised that you said he owned the Rickenbacker version - I'll have to take back what I said about him owning every model of bass. :)

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[quote name='Musky' post='838625' date='May 16 2010, 09:13 AM']I didn't know Entwistle had used one of these. Then again he seems to have owned virtually every model of bass ever made, so it should come as no surprise. :rolleyes:

Are some digits missing from that model number?

Edit: I've just realised that you said he owned the Rickenbacker version - I'll have to take back what I said about him owning every model of bass. :)[/quote]

it's in the book as a model 31, he had 2. The 4005 looks similar. You would have to ask someone with knowledge the difference, I just have a picture book!

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[quote name='Annoying Twit' post='839466' date='May 17 2010, 08:15 AM'][url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/shaftesbury-bass-rikenbacker-replica-70s-classic-/320533625640?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item4aa14afb28"]Another one of these 330 guitar-ish basses[/url][/quote]

Clearly a ?man who? likes a ?good question-mark?

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[quote name='Annoying Twit' post='849949' date='May 27 2010, 11:32 PM']Probably made by Tokai. It says.

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/El-Degas-BASS-VINTAGE-70S-ALL-ORIGINAL-COPY-/140411478208?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Guitar&hash=item20b12d20c0"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/El-Degas-BASS-VINTAG...=item20b12d20c0[/url][/quote]
I'd love to know how they rationalise stuff like that! From what I've seen so far, Tokai haven't sold a Rick bass copy under their own brand so it would seem odd that they would have built them for a US importer's brand.

However, just because I've never seen a Tokai Rick bass copy (including Rockinbetters) doesn't mean they don't exist. Or that Ebay Guy's making it up.

But he probably is.

J.

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[quote name='AndyTravis' post='850558' date='May 28 2010, 07:15 PM']Looks like a nice rendition though?[/quote]
Definitely - and in great nick too by the looks of it. This looks like the same sort of thing as the Shaftesburys, Cimars (ask Mr Twit!) & some of the CMIs that turn up. Very nice, the only thing that lets them down (aesthetically, at least) is the silly little tuners.

J.

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This one didn't shift on its last listing so might be worth a look this time around:

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170492464159"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...em=170492464159[/url]

Matsumoku bolt-neck, presumably originally badged Arbiter. Looks in very good condition, very sensible BIN or if you're a gambler, drop a £269 punt on at the last second, because that's his reserve.

If I had the dosh/room I would. :)

J.

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[quote name='Mr. Foxen' post='860123' date='Jun 7 2010, 05:42 PM'][url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Rickenbacker-4001-Bass-Guitar-copy-/200480876017?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item2ead9765f1"]Equally unsubtle.[/url][/quote]

This is near me. I'm not sure I need another one though.

The shop where I bought my Cimar has an Indie Rickenfaker in.

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[quote name='Mr. Foxen' post='860123' date='Jun 7 2010, 05:42 PM'][url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Rickenbacker-4001-Bass-Guitar-copy-/200480876017?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item2ead9765f1"]Equally unsubtle.[/url][/quote]


Didn't Hondo use those extra tree strings to get enough break angle for the strings, over the nut?
Or perhaps, as ever, I have lost reality.
Karl.

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[quote name='karlfer' post='860309' date='Jun 7 2010, 08:29 PM']Didn't Hondo use those extra tree strings to get enough break angle for the strings, over the nut?
Or perhaps, as ever, I have lost reality.
Karl.[/quote]
It's the home-made looking Taiwanese Kays that had them - just like the one I saw in Denmark Street at the weekend, priced at £295! :) Although obviously this suffers the same problem.

This is a Hondo though, and the Schaller (I think) tuners it's wearing are probably the best thing about it.

I wonder where he thinks you can get replacement Rick-type pickups "cheaply enough"?

J.

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[quote name='Bassassin' post='850554' date='May 28 2010, 07:12 PM']I'd love to know how they rationalise stuff like that! From what I've seen so far, Tokai haven't sold a Rick bass copy under their own brand so it would seem odd that they would have built them for a US importer's brand.

However, just because I've never seen a Tokai Rick bass copy (including Rockinbetters) doesn't mean they don't exist. Or that Ebay Guy's making it up.

But he probably is.

J.[/quote]I had a similar looking ElDegas in the very late80,s or possibly even 1990,the chap I bought if from said it was only 6 months or so old...its my beleif these were made by Samick in Korea and not at the Matsomuku Japan plant as I think that had gone by then,,,there are rumours that theres a Samick /Westone connection but we all know about rumours.....
Well it was basically as good as an Ibanez in general build quality the paint finish was not great but the pickups were attrocious.

I sold it on loot when that first started so thats going back some

but heres some piccys of a rather nice playing copy....

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[quote name='Bassassin' post='850554' date='May 28 2010, 07:12 PM']I'd love to know how they rationalise stuff like that! From what I've seen so far, Tokai haven't sold a Rick bass copy under their own brand so it would seem odd that they would have built them for a US importer's brand.

However, just because I've never seen a Tokai Rick bass copy (including Rockinbetters) doesn't mean they don't exist. Or that Ebay Guy's making it up.

But he probably is.

J.[/quote]I had a similar looking ElDegas in the very late80,s or possibly even 1990,the chap I bought if from said it was only 6 months or so old...its my beleif these were made by Samick in Korea and not at the Matsomuku Japan plant as I think that had gone by then,,,there are rumours that theres a Samick /Westone connection but we all know about rumours.....
Well it was basically as good as an Ibanez in general build quality the paint finish was not great but the pickups were attrocious.

I sold it on loot when that first started so thats going back some

but heres some piccys of a rather nice playing copy....

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[quote name='Annoying Twit' post='861211' date='Jun 8 2010, 04:55 PM']Maybe the same place the modifier of this bass got one.

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:) I'll avoid making a "Prick" joke about this. Or pre-empting any subsequent "knob" gags...

Oh. Bugger. :rolleyes:

J.

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Ugh. I don't like the look of this at all.

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Clearance-Skylark-Ricky-4000-Style-Bass-Guitar-/300434513727?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item45f34adf3f"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Clearance-Skylark-Ri...=item45f34adf3f[/url]

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[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Rickenbacker-4001-Bass-Thru-Neck-Project-Copy-/250648864713?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item3a5bd627c9"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Rickenbacker-4001-Ba...=item3a5bd627c9[/url]

I'm guessing that this isn't genuine. What's going on around where the thru neck joins the body, as you can see on the back? What are those holes, and surely that's not Rick workmanship in fitting the wings?

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[quote name='Annoying Twit' post='867914' date='Jun 15 2010, 12:02 PM']Ugh. I don't like the look of this at all.

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Clearance-Skylark-Ricky-4000-Style-Bass-Guitar-/300434513727?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item45f34adf3f"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Clearance-Skylark-Ri...=item45f34adf3f[/url]

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[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Rickenbacker-4001-Bass-Thru-Neck-Project-Copy-/250648864713?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item3a5bd627c9"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Rickenbacker-4001-Ba...=item3a5bd627c9[/url]

I'm guessing that this isn't genuine. What's going on around where the thru neck joins the body, as you can see on the back? What are those holes, and surely that's not Rick workmanship in fitting the wings?[/quote]

Single truss is a bad sign I think. They did have problems with the neck collapsing into the pickup cavity doing that though.

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You do see the delaminating wings thing on real Ricks - a consequence of that big route at the end of the neck & being strung with high tension rounds. I think this is why the neck pup was moved on Ricks in the mid 70s - shame the copy builders didn't do the same thing.

This thing looks like a badly refinished fireglo copy (check the truss rod route) and the guy reckons the screwholes were where someone fitted a "bracket" in a failed attempt to pull the neck back.

All that & it still manages to reach £245, & counting.

J.

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