Mr. Foxen Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 The price drop every time helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbrat Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 does seem to be a few of these coming out of the woodwork so to speak. at least this one is in better shape that the last finish wise... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Foxen Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Rebadged Retrovibe, or someone else importing same model? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BASS-GUITAR-/280769402171?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item415f29153b Either way not gonna last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibody Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Its daft really. I'd love one of these copies, and if I had the money to buy a real Rik... I'd spend it on a classic P-Bass... LOL. You'd think they'd be better licensing to a company to make copies or a "budget" version. I wonder how Bass Collection get away with their "Californian" or are they officially licensed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musky Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 [quote name='Nibody' timestamp='1320862097' post='1432492'] Its daft really. I'd love one of these copies, and if I had the money to buy a real Rik... I'd spend it on a classic P-Bass... LOL. You'd think they'd be better licensing to a company to make copies or a "budget" version. I wonder how Bass Collection get away with their "Californian" or are they officially licensed? [/quote] Probably the same way they got away with calling the Rockingbetters 'Tokai'. If you do a search for registered UK trademarks you'll find that unlike the US they haven't actually registered the designs. They can probably get away with scaring some distributors into pulling the line, but if they're ignored RIC will be looking at significant costs which they'd probably have trouble recouping from some outfits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Foxen Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Basically, US law doesn't apply outside the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allighatt0r Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Gorgeous Kay! [url="http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Bass-Guitar-Kay-1970s-80s-For-Spairs-Repairs-Parts-/220892074311"]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Bass-Guitar-Kay-1970s-80s-For-Spairs-Repairs-Parts-/220892074311[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Foxen Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 This is pushing the boundary a bit, but fairly sure of the intention: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Alden-Beatbacker-through-neck-Bass-guitar-/320794264885?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item4ab0d40535 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Foxen Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 Depends how many really. Do it as a collective, and sell them cell style. I'd be interested in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musky Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 [quote name='Mr. Foxen' timestamp='1321302898' post='1437613'] Depends how many really. Do it as a collective, and sell them cell style. I'd be interested in that. [/quote] I seem to recall a guitar forum did that with (I think) non-reverse firebirds from (I think) Bach in the Czech Republic. Though they didn't actually sell them on. But it could be worth a punt as long as you don't want to sell through ebay - they'll just shut down the auction as soon as they get notification through their Vero scheme. Although RIC haven't registered their designs as trademarks in the UK, they [i]may[/i] be covered by trademark legislation anyway. It's hideously complicated legislation and it would probably only be solved by [i]very[/i] expensive litigation. RIC seem to rely on scaring people off, though if you've got balls of steel you could brazen it out. I've a sneaking suspicion the Bass Centre are behind the commission and import of the Rockinbetters, which now seem to have been replaced by the very similar Bass Collections. God knows exactly what that's all about, and there might be a simple explanation, but it might be an attempt to muddy the waters a little. But I would suppose the best bet would be to keep things off the radar, which would inevitably mean lower sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musky Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 [quote name='Johnston' timestamp='1321308642' post='1437730'] Last bass outpost I think it was done a group buy of Non Reverse T-birds from Bach. As you say keeping it below the radar lowers the sales. Although I have found some where that will do Minimum orders of 6 rather than the $5k others are looking. I have no where to keep a 20foot containers worth of fakers they have said they will do a faker to spec but who knows how good or bad they will be [/quote] Ah, close but no cigar! Regards the quality of these things, there seems to be a sizeable group who don't seem to care. Someone's buying those Kays and Hondos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Foxen Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 "Tokai": http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tokai-Anniversary-COPY-Rickenbaker-4001-Bass-/170730905407?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item27c05adf3f Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musky Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 [quote name='Mr. Foxen' timestamp='1321484498' post='1439889'] "Tokai": [url="http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tokai-Anniversary-COPY-Rickenbaker-4001-Bass-/170730905407?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item27c05adf3f"]http://www.ebay.co.u...=item27c05adf3f[/url] [/quote] That's a new twist. Now the Anniversary's have an tenuous and unproven Tokai connection - they may as well just call it an Ibanez and have done with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Foxen Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Could report it for being a fake Tokai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soloshchenko Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 [quote name='Mr. Foxen' timestamp='1321299658' post='1437549'] This is pushing the boundary a bit, but fairly sure of the intention: [url="http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Alden-Beatbacker-through-neck-Bass-guitar-/320794264885?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item4ab0d40535"]http://www.ebay.co.u...=item4ab0d40535[/url] [/quote] If that had a more traditional shape I'd be bidding like a maniac.As it is, it just looks ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Foxen Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Kay: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Kay-20B-Bass-Rickenbaker-Copy-/170733282945?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item27c07f2681 Much more interesting shaftesbury Semi: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SHAFTEBURY-BASS-60S-70S-SEMI-ACOUSTIC-SEARCHERS-/160686223241?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item2569a52f89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDaivisch Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 I know this has been brought up a few times, but does anyone have any experience of these? [url="http://www.tiptop.se/tiptop2010/itempage.php?i=2523&bigimage=2"]http://www.tiptop.se/tiptop2010/itempage.php?i=2523&bigimage=2[/url] they look lovely (and I love the idea of a 22 fret Rick) and I'm very tempted! I'm confused though, why does this appear to be the only place that sells them, and also the only place where I have seen them with a proper headstock? Also, with delivery fees, it works out at £700!! I contacted the seller and the conversation went as follows. I'm rather skeptical about his claim that he helped design them..the parts, as far as I can see are standard Shine - just with nicer finish options and a Rick shaped headstock: >> Med Vänlig Hälsning / Best Regards >> Björn Clern, "Mr TIP TOP" >> TIP TOP Musik AB: Katarinav�gen 22 (T-Slussen), >> S-11645 Stockholm, Sweden >> Öppet/Open: Tis-Fre kl 13-18, L�r 12-15 >> >> >>> I understand these are good bases, but 810E seems a lot for Chinese made >>> copies. The older versions are £500 here. Would you do it for 700Euro? >>> Dave > On 29 Nov 2011, at 21:51, "Tip Top Musik" <[email="[email protected]"][color="#234786"][email protected][/color][/email]> wrote: > >> Hi, >> I designed these basses after being RICs distributor for 10 years... >> Its better than a RIC: >> bone nut, better bridge, better head angle,nicer inlays etc. >> USA Duncans are killer pickups. >> Yes they have correct RIC heads. >> >> 810 euros is firm sorry. >> > You designed them? I thought they were Shine basses? Is it not the > RK2000NT? > > Sent from my iPhone > Hi, They are Shine basses. I did "design" these RIOC copies for Shine and included all improvments I told RIC to do when we were their distributor(but they did not listen...). For Sweden, Shine also make the right head. Deal or ? Med Vänlig Hälsning / Best Regards bc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDaivisch Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 I just asked him to clarify exactly what part of the basses he designed.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Hmmm, I had a Shine Rick and also a Tokai, both looked OK but certainly felt like a budget bass at a not so budget price and were sold on very quickly. There are cheaper alternatives out there that are as good if not better in terms of quality and you could always mod it yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDaivisch Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 [quote name='ash' timestamp='1323083036' post='1458932'] Hmmm, I had a Shine Rick and also a Tokai, both looked OK but certainly felt like a budget bass at a not so budget price and were sold on very quickly. There are cheaper alternatives out there that are as good if not better in terms of quality and you could always mod it yourself. [/quote] Bummer. The Shines on the website I linked to look very well made, at least in the pics. I'm assuming you had the standard black, with funny headstock RK2000NT? What would you recommend? Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 It was the type with the funny headstock, they are all reasonably well made but I'd be unsure about their longevity in comparison to say an old Ibanez or CMI Faker. The hardware for example felt lightweight and cheap - all very shiny (s'cuse the pun) but no substance. There are still bargains out there especially given the recession, I got my US Rick as a restoration project off a local chap for less than that, mine needed a lot of TLC but it's now one of my main gigging basses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDaivisch Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 [quote name='ash' timestamp='1323084076' post='1458952'] It was the type with the funny headstock, they are all reasonably well made but I'd be unsure about their longevity in comparison to say an old Ibanez or CMI Faker. The hardware for example felt lightweight and cheap - all very shiny (s'cuse the pun) but no substance. There are still bargains out there especially given the recession, I got my US Rick as a restoration project off a local chap for less than that, mine needed a lot of TLC but it's now one of my main gigging basses. [/quote] Cheers, good to know. I just realised your're the chap with the John Birch for sale...how's that going? by the way, the reason I got distracted by other potential Rickenfakers was that I had heard the Birch sounds nothing like a Rick. Also, I'm not sure I can get my head around the funny looks. Still intriguing though... Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Hi Dave, I sold the Birch last week, the Retrovibes look as good as the Shine basses and they are so much cheaper, I think the Shine bass is an expensive risk at that price. Faker's come up on here relatively frequently, maybe worth biding your time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDaivisch Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Hmm.... Real one [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOCspuo9lRU&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOCspuo9lRU&feature=related[/url] "Career" Rickenfaker [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giQwu7c7mhY"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giQwu7c7mhY[/url] Sounds pretty good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stacker Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 [quote name='Soloshchenko' timestamp='1321576180' post='1440966'] If that had a more traditional shape I'd be bidding like a maniac.As it is, it just looks ugly. [/quote] sh*t, as well. Badly finished and an unfinished scratchplate. I sent it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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