Two Tribes

[Exile252]

Does anyone have either a tab or sheet music for bass for this song. It's got such an awsome bass line.


Thanks guys

[YouMa]

I have a feeling this might be a sampled bass.

[Exile252]

I'm not sure, sounds like a bass in a synth, but if it is sampled, then I sure the notes are out there somewhere to be played hehe.

[SJA]

yep, Trevor Horn programmed this on a Fairlight sampler.

Mark O'Toole was actually a pretty good bass player though (he wrote the bassline plus his original lead bass parts were used as string/horn parts)-

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wIHrLci6Fw"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wIHrLci6Fw[/url]
closeup at 3.40

drop-D tuning (DADG), frets 3 and 5 on the A string, open low D string. and use the open A string.

Welcome to the pleasuredome has a great bassline too.

Edited September 13, 2008 by SJA

[bnt]

I thought it was both: Fairlight-sequenced samples during the choruses, real bass during the bridges. There are two different sounds there.

[YouMa]

[quote name='SJA' post='283437' date='Sep 13 2008, 11:55 PM']yep, Trevor Horn programmed this on a Fairlight sampler.

Mark O'Toole was actually a pretty good bass player though (he wrote the bassline plus his original lead bass parts were used as string/horn parts)-

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wIHrLci6Fw"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wIHrLci6Fw[/url]
closeup at 3.40

drop-D tuning (DADG), frets 3 and 5 on the A string, open low D string. and use the open A string.

Welcome to the pleasuredome has a great bassline too.[/quote]
Right on brother we are a long way from home "WELCOME".

[Exile252]

Thanks for the help hehe. Still having abit of trouble with it hehe. Also, what is the bass during the bridge, is it just playing around with a simple scale?
Most of the songs on the album have brilliant basslines. War has a cracking line. I wish there were more tabs/sheet music around

[YouMa]

Mate if you can pull it off live and still sound as slap choppy! RELAX

[YouMa]

Very proud to be a north east man ala Trev Horn,this man is a god of production he can make mouldy bread sound fresh as a mountain stream.Numero one on my list when im a star!hahahahha

Edited September 14, 2008 by YouMa

[SJA]

[quote name='bnt' post='283446' date='Sep 14 2008, 12:15 AM']I thought it was both: Fairlight-sequenced samples during the choruses, real bass during the bridges. There are two different sounds there.[/quote]

yeah, there are 2 sounds, but I think they're both from a Fairlight- in the Radio2 Producers programme on Trevor Horn he explained how Relax was done using a bass guitar low E note sample and a piano E note sample in unison- I suspect that's how 2 Tribes and 'Pleasuredome were done too.

notes in the bridge;
G (5th fret in drop-D tuning), (open) A, C, D, F. G, A, C, G, F ,D ,E.
ending with low E, and low D.

[Exile252]

Thanks for the help, now time, to learn it all hehe.

[SteveK]

They say, "You can't polish a turd".
Well, thanks to the Wizardry of Trevor Horn, that turd was well and truly polished. He turned, what was, a pretty banal song into a great record.

Steve

[Exile252]

So this is the bassline:

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And:

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(I'm using a 5 string hehe)

Edited September 14, 2008 by Exile252

[SJA]

bridge part is fine, but the verse should be-

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-333555----3-3-5555303-
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Edited September 14, 2008 by SJA

[pete.young]

[quote name='SJA' post='283555' date='Sep 14 2008, 10:38 AM']yeah, there are 2 sounds, but I think they're both from a Fairlight- in the Radio2 Producers programme on Trevor Horn he explained how Relax was done using a bass guitar low E note sample and a piano E note sample in unison[/quote]

I thought Norm Watt Roy played the original bass line for Relax

[Geek99]

[quote name='pete.young' post='293993' date='Sep 28 2008, 04:56 PM']I thought Norm Watt Roy played the original bass line for Relax[/quote]

I recall an interview with Norman in Guitarist many years ago, where he said that "many of the Blockheads played on the FGTH sessions" but I dont think he actually said that he played [i]that one [/i] specifically. I still have the mag somewhere, I'll look it up.

[doctor_of_the_bass]

[quote name='Geek99' post='296559' date='Oct 1 2008, 01:27 PM']I recall an interview with Norman in Guitarist many years ago, where he said that "many of the Blockheads played on the FGTH sessions" but I dont think he actually said that he played [i]that one [/i] specifically. I still have the mag somewhere, I'll look it up.[/quote]

Folklore hath said that Norman went into the studio with his Alembic Series I (bought off of Luis Jardim who had two at the time!) played the relevant riffs (which Trevor sampled!) and got paid £500 for less than an hour's work! Nice one!

[SJA]

there was just a documentary on 6music, enititled "the look of love", charting 80's pop productions, and Trevor Horn described recording Two tribes- it took over a month to programme the bassline alone.....

[bremen]

[quote name='doctor_of_the_bass' post='298978' date='Oct 3 2008, 10:17 PM']Folklore hath said that Norman went into the studio with his Alembic Series I (bought off of Luis Jardim who had two at the time!) played the relevant riffs (which Trevor sampled!) and got paid £500 for less than an hour's work! Nice one![/quote]

[quote]there was just a documentary on 6music, enititled "the look of love", charting 80's pop productions, and Trevor Horn described recording Two tribes- it took over a month to programme the bassline alone.....[/quote]

So which is true? I'd heard that it was Norman.

[SJA]

Trevor Horn used a Fairlight to sample NWR playing, chopped up individual notes and sequenced them to make up the basslines.

the documentary (part 5) is up on listen again on here -
[url="http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/6music_aod.shtml?6music/6m_evedoc_tue"]http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/6music_aod....c/6m_evedoc_tue[/url]

22.10 in.

Edited October 21, 2008 by SJA