fleabag Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 (edited) Are there any owners who know the wiring circuit for the Aria Pro ZZB deluxe ? Its the 2 pup MBlll model. I bought the pair of MBll's and the circuit - blend switch, vol, tone - and although the pots and jack socket are all still wired together, the pups are not The previous owner had snipped off the pup wires, leaving stubs where they used to be, so simply re-wired them as they appeared to be. But i got nothing. The switch is a strange one. Its not 6 pole like normal blend switches, but 3 pole. And the earths appear to be on the side of the body of the switch Some advice and/or photos or diagram would be really helpful ta ! Edited January 5, 2016 by fleabag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlatEric Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 I'm sure Bloodaxe or one of the other Aria guys on here will be along soon and should sort you out. If you get really stuck, I have one. . . . . somewhere. I could get you a couple of pics. Fingers crossed, a diagram will appear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleabag Posted January 4, 2016 Author Share Posted January 4, 2016 (edited) Cheers flatty Eric. Yeah i remember Pete bloodaxe, we've met ! I assume that many Aria pros of the 80's with twin MBlll pups would be similar, but yes, if Pete doesnt get back to us here, i will tap you for a photo Edited January 5, 2016 by fleabag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleabag Posted January 5, 2016 Author Share Posted January 5, 2016 (edited) I think i may be a loser here, since Pete the Axe has not posted since October ! The Arai SB's seem to be a bit different, so it appears in my searches on the net. Would you take a detailed pic of your circuit, mr Flat ? Edited January 5, 2016 by fleabag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleabag Posted January 6, 2016 Author Share Posted January 6, 2016 (edited) If this is any help ... Edited January 6, 2016 by fleabag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleabag Posted January 6, 2016 Author Share Posted January 6, 2016 (edited) Tried to post the big original size photo but the forums wont have it Edited January 6, 2016 by fleabag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlatEric Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 [quote name='fleabag' timestamp='1452034008' post='2945849'] I think i may be a loser here, since Pete the Axe has not posted since October ! The Arai SB's seem to be a bit different, so it appears in my searches on the net. Would you take a detailed pic of your circuit, mr Flat ? [/quote] Ok. No worries. You may have to sit tight for a while, not entirely sure where it is! I'll go a-hunting!! Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleabag Posted January 6, 2016 Author Share Posted January 6, 2016 Thanks fella - no hurry, as its just my project bass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleabag Posted January 24, 2016 Author Share Posted January 24, 2016 Anyone else got a ZZB ? Need photo or diagram of the circuit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grangur Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 (edited) The circuit should be fairly easy to sort out as it's a simple 2 pup circuit with a selector switch. What's hard to see from the picture is what's going on with the switch terminals. The Tony Franklin bass has a similar set up. It seems to me you simply need a multi meter and get to understand how the switch works. I'd be happy to take a look. But your profile is incomplete so nobody knows where you are. Edited January 24, 2016 by Grangur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleabag Posted January 24, 2016 Author Share Posted January 24, 2016 I'm miles away from you in Oxfordshire, so you cant really take a look Not sure what you mean by whats going on with the switch terminals. The switch has 3 tags on the bottom ( the 2 outside tags have the pup hots attached ) the middle tag runs a blue wire to the left tag of the vol pot. The side of the switch is where the pup grounds are attached But i've labelled all that anyway in the photo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleabag Posted January 24, 2016 Author Share Posted January 24, 2016 (edited) The switch is one of these I even bought the above switch new from Allparts to replace the old one just in case it was duff. But this did nothing. I then changed the Vol pot just in case that was duff, but again, silence. I found an alternative wiring diagram via Duncan diagrams and tried that, but still nothing Next try will be to dump the new switch, and just wire the thing up with Vol Vol Tone and see if that cures it Edited January 24, 2016 by fleabag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grangur Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Ok, thanks for the information. I'm reading this on a phone. So you helped me out a lot with that. The steps I would take are: 1 Individually connect each pup to a jack socket in turn and check they both work. Ideally not the jack in this bass. I like to keep a spare jack socket for this purpose. 2 Connect a pup straight the volume to check that works. 3 If 2 doesn't work, try connecting a different jack to the output of the pot. And, yes I do travel to Oxford for work, but not this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleabag Posted January 24, 2016 Author Share Posted January 24, 2016 I checked the output of both pups before putting them in the body, and the vol pot has been changed for known working pot, and so that leaves option 3 which is what i'll try next. After that, i'm dumping the switch and going V V T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grangur Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 What you have is a 3-way Economy Toggle switch. According to Stewmac the wiring is not as you have it. This is their diagram. So, it would seem the connection you have to taken as earth is, in fact the output! I'd have done the same as you. This could make all the difference if the centre terminal that you've taken as the output is, in fact, connected to the case of the switch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleabag Posted January 24, 2016 Author Share Posted January 24, 2016 I've wired it stewmacs way as well and still nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlatEric Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 [quote name='fleabag' timestamp='1453628100' post='2961078'] I checked the output of both pups before putting them in the body, and the vol pot has been changed for known working pot, and so that leaves option 3 which is what i'll try next. After that, i'm dumping the switch and going V V T [/quote] I have now found it! I can get pics to you tomorrow. Having said that. . . . . if yours is a "Project Bass" I would go V V T. On mine, as with any two pick-up/one Vol set up, it's etiher Bridge - biting but thinner sound or Neck - big thud and not much bite or both together. When both together, the neck slightly overpowers the bridge - with a V V T, you can dial in any tone you like. Will send you a pic anyway. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleabag Posted January 25, 2016 Author Share Posted January 25, 2016 Thanks Eric Probably will go V V T in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlatEric Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 This is mine. [attachment=210755:IMGP6444.JPG] Plenty of spare cable!! Eased it out of the way - these are the best shots - I think I could make out where everything goes. [attachment=210756:IMGP6447.JPG] [attachment=210757:IMGP6448.JPG] [attachment=210758:IMGP6449.JPG] See how you get on. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleabag Posted January 26, 2016 Author Share Posted January 26, 2016 Thanks Eric, on the strength of your photos, i believe i had the same wiring, and still got silence Changed switch for new one, changed pots, even swapped switch wires over ( reversed ) and still zip I'm ditching the switch and going v v t. Its all i can do Cheers for hunting down your long lost ZZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlatEric Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Well, it's not original but if the bass isn't precious/mint original, best way to go, based on my previous comments. Let us know how you get on/show us all a pic of yours! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleabag Posted January 27, 2016 Author Share Posted January 27, 2016 (edited) Done the VVT and the bass sounds carp. Not the pickups, they sound fine, but its my fretless Peavey, and it just doesnt sound like a fretless. Then again, it was a fretted but then defretted, then had a tiger maple board fitted and i have the feeling defretted bases never match up to the sound of a fretless built from scratch for purpose An utter waste of time and effort ! I should just go buy a proper fretless i think... and hurl this thing at the binman Edited January 27, 2016 by fleabag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlatEric Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Now you have me completely confused. Started out as an Aria ZZB enquiry - ended up with a Peavey fretless. Did I walk out and come back into the wrong room?? Nurse, I need a lie down!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleabag Posted January 27, 2016 Author Share Posted January 27, 2016 (edited) It was the pickups and the circuit of a ZZB that was going in to the bass above Edited January 27, 2016 by fleabag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grangur Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Fretless mwahh comes from the sound of the strings on the neck. The nut on a Fretless is lower than a fretted. Don't give up yet. File the nut slots so the clearance of the strings is only something like 0.3mm from the fingerboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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