IanA Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 Looks like Jim has released another range of cabs http://bergantino.com/product-category/bass-guitar-speakers/hdn-series/ From the description on his website they will sound closer to the HD series than the CN that they must be replacing... Interesting Quote
funkle Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 I just received an email about this too. Interested to see how the HDN 112 compares to the ?now defunct CN112. Perhaps someone will give their take of a sonic impression soon. I cannot find any more mention of CN series on the website either, A new B | Amp + an HDN212...I wonder how much that would cost....!!! Quote
JTUK Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 Hmmm first line I read seems to be a concession that suggests the NEO cab sacrificed tone. ?? Quote
IanA Posted January 4, 2016 Author Posted January 4, 2016 [quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1451938961' post='2944858'] Hmmm first line I read seems to be a concession that suggests the NEO cab sacrificed tone. ?? [/quote] Yeah I think you are right it does seem to read that way, I am almost tempted to agree as well. The ceramic loaded Bergs that I have used have the edge over the neo's for punch and depth. If I could manage it then I would still be using either my old hs410 or hd212... age is not on my side unfortunately Quote
wateroftyne Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 [quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1451938961' post='2944858'] Hmmm first line I read seems to be a concession that suggests the NEO cab sacrificed tone. ?? [/quote] That's exactly how I read it, too. Quote
machinehead Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 I read it exactly the opposite... unless you're reading between the lines? He says "[u][i]not[/i][/u] at the expense of tone and performance." (My emphasis.) Frank. Quote
funkle Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 I've been happy with the CN112 tone, but I really did like the IP112ER I had too...tons of low end....the old HD ceramic driver mated to a fantastic tweeter and the software brains that are now in the the new B | Amp. I disliked the tone of HD112 on its own. I assume the IP112ER software did fancy stuff to the tone, 'cause it sounded great. Hmm...interesting... Quote
funkle Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 (edited) Simply FYI. An email response from Bergantino to an email I sent - a couple of lines -- -- ('Just got your email about the new HDN112. It looks interesting. I currently own 2 x CN112 cabinets. Are the new HDN cabinets a significant upgrade over the CN112s? How do they compare sonically?): -- [font=arial, sans-serif][size=3]'Hi,[/size][/font] [font=arial, sans-serif][size=3]We have extended the low end of the HDN speakers to nudge them closer to the sound of the HD series speaker. They do have a little more bloom on the bottom, but I wouldn’t say that they are a significant upgrade. We had a lot of customers caught between the HD ceramics (for the low-end) and the CN (for the weight). So, we tried to combine the best of both worlds. The CN112 is a great speaker, no doubt. If the low end is the most important thing about your sound they might warrant changing out. If you have a local dealer taking a listen would be recommended.[/size][/font] [font=arial, sans-serif][size=3]Thanks! [color=#000000]John ------------------------- John Files VP Sales & Marketing Bergantino Audio Systems 512-873-8043 [email="[email protected]"][email protected][/email] [url="http://www.bergantino.com/"]www.bergantino.com[/url] Bergantino Audio Sales 1 Main Street, Building 12 Whitinsville, MA 01588'[/color][/size][/font] Edited January 4, 2016 by funkle Quote
IanA Posted January 5, 2016 Author Posted January 5, 2016 Looks like Mark has the CN cabs on special offer at Bass Direct, around £100 saving per cab! Quote
Guinness21 Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 [quote name='IanA' timestamp='1451986014' post='2945159'] Looks like Mark has the CN cabs on special offer at Bass Direct, around £100 saving per cab! [/quote] Just seen that! I need to be jumping on this, I'm opening a credit card on Friday and will buy it straight away. Want to start building a credit score. Quote
Guinness21 Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 Actually on the CN212 it's only £25 cheaper. He was offering covers free for a while, now you have to buy them separately. Quote
Ghost_Bass Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 I've checked the 1x12" specs. Humm... $800 + VAT + Import Taxes for a 15kg cab that "only" puts out 350W... i think we can find cheaper/lighter from EU builders without compromising tone. Quote
CamdenRob Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 (edited) I've got on well with the CN210 if this is an improvement on that I'd be very interested Edited January 5, 2016 by CamdenRob Quote
IanA Posted January 5, 2016 Author Posted January 5, 2016 [quote name='Ghost_Bass' timestamp='1452006890' post='2945423'] I've checked the 1x12" specs. Humm... $800 + VAT + Import Taxes for a 15kg cab that "only" puts out 350W... i think we can find cheaper/lighter from EU builders without compromising tone. [/quote] From the email that I received from Mark Stickley read the price should be similar to the CN series Quote
Guinness21 Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 F*ck it I'll wait until February for the HDN212 Quote
tauzero Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 [quote name='IanA' timestamp='1452008061' post='2945439'] From the email that I received from Mark Stickley read the price should be similar to the CN series [/quote] Bergantino say that the HDN is more expensive than the HD, and at the moment Mark's doing the CN cheaper than the HD (it was £50 more expensive, now it's £50 cheaper). So it might be the same price as the pre-discount CN series. Quote
IanA Posted January 6, 2016 Author Posted January 6, 2016 [quote name='tauzero' timestamp='1452088456' post='2946246'] Bergantino say that the HDN is more expensive than the HD, and at the moment Mark's doing the CN cheaper than the HD (it was £50 more expensive, now it's £50 cheaper). So it might be the same price as the pre-discount CN series. [/quote] that is exactly what Mark meant...he was referring to full retail price not sale price Quote
lo-freq Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 [quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1451938961' post='2944858'] Hmmm first line I read seems to be a concession that suggests the NEO cab sacrificed tone. ?? [/quote] The HDN cabs are Neo's. Quote
Alec Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 [quote name='Ghost_Bass' timestamp='1452006890' post='2945423'] I've checked the 1x12" specs. Humm... $800 + VAT + Import Taxes for a 15kg cab that "only" puts out 350W... [/quote] It doesn't "put out" 350W, it is rated to run at 350W. The actual SPL output will be hugely dependent on the speaker's efficiency, in conjunction with the power used to drive it. Quote
JTUK Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 [quote name='lo-freq' timestamp='1452237051' post='2947840'] The HDN cabs are Neo's. [/quote] Yep, but the CN has been superceded within about 2 years..? Quote
lo-freq Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 [quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1452280930' post='2948541'] Yep, but the CN has been superceded within about 2 years..? [/quote] I think Jim Bergantino was responding to a genuine market demand (lightness of the CN's combined with the sonic depth of the HD's). I haven't heard the cabs, so I can't comment on how well he has succeeded. In general, technology progresses - if businesses don't progress as well, they might find themselves out of a client base. Quote
JTUK Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 [quote name='lo-freq' timestamp='1452287731' post='2948635'] I think Jim Bergantino was responding to a genuine market demand (lightness of the CN's combined with the sonic depth of the HD's). I haven't heard the cabs, so I can't comment on how well he has succeeded. In general, technology progresses - if businesses don't progress as well, they might find themselves out of a client base. [/quote] He probably is... but it says something about wanting to make the NEO sound more like a ceramic. Many have tried and it doesn't work..IMO. I've always had problems with the 'NEO' sound but others don't hear it..or like what they've got. My thinking is that this is quite an 'ackowledgent' from one of the premier cab makers out there which is what I suggested at the top of the thread. Quote
machinehead Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 I don't believe anyone can tell what the material used in the speaker magnet is, by just listening to it. Frank. Quote
Guinness21 Posted January 16, 2016 Posted January 16, 2016 [color=#141414][font=verdana, geneva, lucida,] So I just ordered a CN 212 [/font][/color] [color=#141414][font=verdana, geneva, lucida,] I was talking to Mark at Bass Direct about the CN v HDN 212, and he said there would be a longer wait on the HDN than first though, and they would cost more than first thought as the £ has crashed against the $. The first time I tried the CN 212 was alongside a Vanderkley 212MNT - while it was a really nice cabinet, the low end was a little much. So I think the CN is probably better suited to me than the HDN cabs.[/font][/color] Quote
leroydiamond Posted January 16, 2016 Posted January 16, 2016 [quote name='Guinness21' timestamp='1452957581' post='2955070'] [color=#141414][font=verdana, geneva, lucida,] So I just ordered a CN 212 [/font][/color] [color=#141414][font=verdana, geneva, lucida,] I was talking to Mark at Bass Direct about the CN v HDN 212, and he said there would be a longer wait on the HDN than first though, and they would cost more than first thought as the £ has crashed against the $. The first time I tried the CN 212 was alongside a Vanderkley 212MNT - while it was a really nice cabinet, the low end was a little much. So I think the CN is probably better suited to me than the HDN cabs.[/font][/color] [/quote] Congrats. I have been using the CN212 for a while now and it never fails to impress. Enjoy Quote
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